DARWIN VS. GENESIS

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DARWIN VS. GENESIS
It’s a near certainty present life forms evolved

I’m writing in response to Steve Stuart’s letter, “Believing in evolution takes faith, also,” in the Sept. 9 Gazette. He claimed evolution “cannot be observed or tested scientifically.” Any of our observations could be questioned. We can’t prove that the physical world exists, but it very likely does, given the reasons for it not existing.

Likewise, it is extremely unlikely that present-day organisms did not evolve from earlier life forms, considering the fossil record as well as genetic and physiological similarities between species, not to mention more than two centuries of scientific findings.

Also, there are three problems with theistic explanations. First, they claim that a deity caused the phenomenon but fail to explain how. After all, if you fail to explain how God created life, then I could just as easily say that leprechauns created it. Evolution, in contrast, explains how genetic variation and natural selection result in speciation. Second, history shows supernatural explanations are often disproved once tested (we know that lightning isn’t Thor’s hammer). Third, even if a cause was supernatural, it could have been a force or law just as easily as it could have been a deity.

He also conflates abiogenesis, the formation of life from non-living matter, with evolution. Even if God created the first cell out of nothing, it would still evolve into other organisms once it got here.

Andrew Luke
Colorado Springs

On any other forum this would be a flamefest... hope it's civilized here.

According to a Naure survey 40 percent of scientists are theists but only five percent of scientists reject evolution accordin to a Gallup poll. That means only 1 out of 8 theist scientsts reject evolution. The 40 percent figure comes from the journal Nature. The result can be found by googling 40 scientists god nature. Then select the first result. The five percent figure can be found by googling religious tolerance gallup scientists. Ten select the first result.

I can't even comprehend how an aspie could believe in god. At least in the style of some man sitting up in the clouds... It's akin to believing in Santa Clause or the Easter Bunny. Well, I can understand the belief in Santa Clause (lol)

big-ups to you homegirl!

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It was similar with me after joining the site, I first thought that Religion and AS/autism didn't match, but I see now that is not the case, I can see a few aspies having an obsession with their religion, and if that makes them happy I guess that's Ok. At least it is better than having an obsession to something dangerous like weapons or something.

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My god Bones. What have I done?

lol
That was good.

I really don't feel like trolling here, but it's getting more and more tempting.

a person who expresses a valid opinion when asked does not a troll make.

I'm a veteran troll, and I'm quite able to tell if someone is trolling or not.

LOL! You definitely have a valid point! Moreover, I can definitely understand that an aspie could have an obsession w/ their religion, esp the ritualistic aspect of it. However, I find it hard to fathom an aspie having an extreme level of faith w/ any concept as intangible as that of god. When I was about 12 yrs old, I was obsessed w/ studying all types of religions. This probably stemmed from lack of faith. I was specifically drawn to eastern religions... Well, mainly Buddhism, for obvious reasons...

Thanks for the insult.

Fortunately MY God isn't the same one you think of.
Your information on who/what God is appears limited and you're simply choosing to stick with the narrow vision you've chosen rather than consider there's more to learn. Wouldn't want to be wrong after all...


As an aspie, and a studious one at that, I enjoy the fact that my faith is not one of pure fancy and hopeful wishing. It's based on everything - science, archeology, history, more history, the bible in its entirety, even more history... it's all one massive conglomerate that doesn't take too much to see the consistency ***IF*** the religion is based on that.

UNFORTUNATELY many/most religions and denominations, Christian and otherwise, are NOT based on this kind of factual information and is simply following the teachings of their particular "Imperious Leader". There are some very popular religions (and cults) out there that exist purely because a clever and/or charismatic person decided they wanted to start one so they could become its rich and powerful leader.

The better a particular religion it is, the more it'll be grounded on its writings (ie, Bible, Quran, etc.)

I'm not going to say which one is right because it's almost not important... though a time will come when there will be only two groups of people in the world; those who choose the status quo and follow the spiritual laws put in place by the state - and those who stick the what God decreed and defy those laws. It's worth mentioning seeing as how those laws are being actively worked on, and some are already in place as we speak.


So there you go... with God can come research into science, archeology, history, theology writings AND conspiracies! Sounds like the perfect Aspie pastime to me!

Pulls on fire retardant space suit and lunges in.

Before you can begin this um ...debate (???) you need not only to clearly define religion but the origin of religious belief itself.
I have been down this path many times, not because I am religiously motivated but because I seek the Truth.

From what I can explain in logical terms the phenomenon of religion has two sources.
One, is the primitive brain we retain from our days in the cave, the brain stem and its extension into the medulla oblongata, this portion of the brain does not understand the concept of death.

It is only the cerebral cortex in which we impose that rational evaluation on ourselves. The brain stem very simply demands life. The conflict between these brains which evolved at different times in our development has had its reconciliation in the brain stems assertion that even after death there must be life; hence, heaven
and a god and tadada a need for religion.

Of course, the cerebral cortex is unable to prove or disprove this assertion.
Two as stated earlier religion began as a need by early man to explain natural phenomena, and not very logically terms , I might add.

For instance, a human heard thunder and maybe saw lightning. The interpretation was thatinvisible beings in the air were having a war or Thors hammer. Since they were invisible, in the air and making powerful sounds and sights, they must be gods.

Religion then is an attempt of the primitive brain to survive and of that same
primitive brain to interpret the world in a non-logical, non-scientific manner.
Where people have more powerful cerebral cortices, logic prevails over the
primitive, fearful interpretations of an illogical brain stem.

Aspies as we know have different brain wiring and many but not all of us deal strictly in logic

AMEN!! !!

BTW, it seems that BlueMax's perfect aspie pastime is more like the perfect aspie obssesion.