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28 Sep 2007, 9:51 am

i am going through a difficult phase right now.

Whenever I think of NTs at the moment I just feel very angry. Just their behaviour in general, and the way that they are. I think people here will know what I am talking about so I wont have to go on and list all the things I am angry about.

I wonder if I can ever feel any peace about this. Any thoughts?


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28 Sep 2007, 10:07 am

You can. I'm a lot better about dealing with NTs than I used to be. Counseling helped me reduce my level of toxic NT-envy, because it helped me understand that NTs usually aren't "acting NT" on purpose. Their social behavior is mostly automatic, not learned like ours. This doesn't excuse cases of deliberate manipulation or abuse of us, duh. But getting an understanding of how the NT mind works (and doesn't work) helped me to accept them much better, even though dealing with them will always be annoying.

You should try to get a definitive diagnosis and/or go for counseling with someone who knows something about ASDs. Yes, there are good shrinks out there, you just have to be picky. Good luck.



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28 Sep 2007, 10:30 am

Yes, I am having this issue myself and have for some months now harboured a lot of rage towards those 'normals' out there, especially worse now as all the university students arrived days ago and go around in drunken groups past my window each evening, shouting and generally acting like brainless morons.

Only yesterday afternoon, I was walking through the park, listening to my music and minding my own business when a group of kids decided it would be fun to throw conkers/chestnuts at me as I walked. I was so close to going over and smashing their heads in.



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28 Sep 2007, 1:48 pm

wow! what poo-flinging lil monkies!


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29 Sep 2007, 4:30 am

thx ((((((((unnamed, Graelwyn, Sedaka))))))))))))))

(((((((((Graelwyn))))))))))) I am sorry you are being treated this way. Children can be little monsters at times..

Unnamed I agree that the human mind is programmed. I am beginning to realise it. In a weird sort of way it helps to view NTs as programmed, like they are a race of giant warrior ants or something.

I guess I am still coming to terms with it all....

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30 Sep 2007, 1:55 am

Yeah, years ago (long before I was diagnosed) I just hated humanity, the lot of them, the whole human race. I felt that I was some alien or subspecies that was somehow abandoned on a planet with all these dumb, crazy, insensitive jerks.

But I learned to get by and I developed a certain amount of tolerence towards the species and even came to admire a couple (though not too many) of the traits they possessed that I did not.

Now that I'm diagnosed as AS, I kinda look at them all differently. I think being Non-AS is just as much a syndrome as Asperger's. It's just another of those divisions that make the collective community of this planet interesting. We have advantages they don't, they have advantages we don't. It's like having black skin or white skin. Accute night vision or adaptable day vision. Left handedness or right handedness.

The only problem is that they seem to have the numbers. But they're not all that much alike one another anyway. At least we have a bit of consistency.

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30 Sep 2007, 4:18 am

zen_mistress wrote:
i am going through a difficult phase right now.

Whenever I think of NTs at the moment I just feel very angry. Just their behaviour in general, and the way that they are. I think people here will know what I am talking about so I wont have to go on and list all the things I am angry about.

I wonder if I can ever feel any peace about this. Any thoughts?


I am not necessarily angry at NT's, but I am angry at the way that they act sometimes.
For example, I sit in class each weekday and have to listen to everybody talking mindless words, also known as "slang". That does make me very angry because I don't understand why people just don't talk English.


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03 Oct 2007, 11:13 am

thx ((((((((((((Unknown Quantity, Brittany)))))))))))))))

Unknown Q I am glad you have managed to find a way to build up some tolerance and get by. And Brittany, Im glad that you are not feeling anger towards NTs...

And it would be nice if they spoke English.

I am just sort of going through a "dark night of the soul" sort of thing. Perhaps I will find the answer soon.


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03 Oct 2007, 1:28 pm

unnamed wrote:
You can. I'm a lot better about dealing with NTs than I used to be. Counseling helped me reduce my level of toxic NT-envy, because it helped me understand that NTs usually aren't "acting NT" on purpose. Their social behavior is mostly automatic, not learned like ours. This doesn't excuse cases of deliberate manipulation or abuse of us, duh. But getting an understanding of how the NT mind works (and doesn't work) helped me to accept them much better, even though dealing with them will always be annoying.

You should try to get a definitive diagnosis and/or go for counseling with someone who knows something about ASDs. Yes, there are good shrinks out there, you just have to be picky. Good luck.


Same here.

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03 Oct 2007, 9:50 pm

Brittany2907 wrote:
For example, I sit in class each weekday and have to listen to everybody talking mindless words, also known as "slang". That does make me very angry because I don't understand why people just don't talk English.


I wish that was the worst thing NT's did. :(



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03 Oct 2007, 10:17 pm

And how precisely do I find a counselor who would be competent when it comes to ASD issues? All I've found are people here who think I'm a paranoid schizophrenic, and want to have me committed because I actually tell the truth and do what a good, upstanding citizen is supposed to do.

As far as I'm concerned, I want mass graves, trains, showers with no water and striped PJs awaiting them.


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04 Oct 2007, 11:57 am

Goatman....

I am sorry you are feeling so angry towards NTs that you want them all dead.

I know that I feel a lot of anger towards them... and it is hard to deal with this anger. But ultimately we have to find peace with our place in the world as people on the spectrum because

a) If we committed an act of violence towards them it would reinforce the crappy things they say about us which are actually untrue

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b) If we let them make us all bitter, twisted and full of hatred inside, then the worst NTS, the biggest, cruelest, most sadistic bullies amongst them, will have won. They will have destroyed us inside.

I hope you find some peace with all this like I am looking for.

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04 Oct 2007, 3:32 pm

Brittany2907 wrote:
zen_mistress wrote:
i am going through a difficult phase right now.

Whenever I think of NTs at the moment I just feel very angry. Just their behaviour in general, and the way that they are. I think people here will know what I am talking about so I wont have to go on and list all the things I am angry about.

I wonder if I can ever feel any peace about this. Any thoughts?


I am not necessarily angry at NT's, but I am angry at the way that they act sometimes.
For example, I sit in class each weekday and have to listen to everybody talking mindless words, also known as "slang". That does make me very angry because I don't understand why people just don't talk English.


That's exactly how feel.


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04 Oct 2007, 5:02 pm

My girlfriend is an NT. She is quite nice actually.



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04 Oct 2007, 11:45 pm

zen_mistress wrote:
Goatman....

I am sorry you are feeling so angry towards NTs that you want them all dead.

I know that I feel a lot of anger towards them... and it is hard to deal with this anger. But ultimately we have to find peace with our place in the world as people on the spectrum because

a) If we committed an act of violence towards them it would reinforce the crappy things they say about us which are actually untrue

and

b) If we let them make us all bitter, twisted and full of hatred inside, then the worst NTS, the biggest, cruelest, most sadistic bullies amongst them, will have won. They will have destroyed us inside.

I hope you find some peace with all this like I am looking for.

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I'm afraid we just can't win against NTs. If we get angry/upset, that's what they wanted in the first place, so they win. If we ignore them, we're too ret*d to understand that they're trying to upset us, so they win. If we fight back, we get caught by the authorities while the NTs don't. The NTs say they weren't doing anything wrong and we just attacked them for no reason, and the authorities are actually dumb enough to believe it, so they win. If the NTs do actually get in trouble, they "promise" not to hurt us again, then they hurt us when the authorities aren't watching, and leave us alone when they are. and since the NTs have "promised" not to hurt us, the authorities don't believe us when we tell them what happened, (since NTs never lie) so the NTs win again!


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05 Oct 2007, 3:27 am

All of my anger is directed inward where it belongs, like a good little citizen. :wink:



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