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Are you atheist?
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07 Aug 2005, 1:25 pm

I'm NOT atheist, but I wanted to know hw many are on here. I know Neant Humain is. How could there not be a God?


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07 Aug 2005, 1:34 pm

Just as easily as there could be one. You don't have any proof, do you? The argument that the universe had to be created by someone doesn't mean toss. If there was a god, how was god created? And however it was, whats to suggest that any other possiblity other than a god could've been created the same way? Yes, I'm an athiest.


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07 Aug 2005, 1:43 pm

I answered no - because I'm agnostic. An atheist believes there is no god. An agnostic is not sure or is waiting for better evidence.



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07 Aug 2005, 2:01 pm

Like being religious, being atheist is a belief.
I am not an atheist because I do not know whether or not there is a god. I consider myself scientifically and logically agnostic, but also catholic, which is my background and because I feel more catholic if I have to choose a religion.
The fact is that I do not think there is what I call a humanized god. When you read scriptures, you may imagine God as man-looking and with man-reasonning. I think there is "something", but it may also be some mathematics or science explained thing, not a humanized god. I do not know. So I am agnostic and catholic.


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07 Aug 2005, 2:15 pm

If there is a god, I doubt it would be male or female. I think it would be sexless.


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07 Aug 2005, 4:03 pm

I do not believe in God at all. The only reason why I went to church was to see one of my old friends in Seattle sing in his church choir.


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07 Aug 2005, 4:32 pm

sparkplugloy wrote:
Like being religious, being atheist is a belief.
I am not an atheist because I do not know whether or not there is a god. I consider myself scientifically and logically agnostic, but also catholic, which is my background and because I feel more catholic if I have to choose a religion.
The fact is that I do not think there is what I call a humanized god. When you read scriptures, you may imagine God as man-looking and with man-reasonning. I think there is "something", but it may also be some mathematics or science explained thing, not a humanized god. I do not know. So I am agnostic and catholic.


I agree, sparkplugloy. I was having an arguement with a guy on Aspietalk on this topic. I said that atheism is a belief which requires proof, but they said they didn't need proof, etc. I think the Christians DO have some proof, because the resurrection of Christ has been chronicled throughout history as an event that actually took place.



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07 Aug 2005, 5:05 pm

RobertN wrote:
sparkplugloy wrote:
Like being religious, being atheist is a belief.
I am not an atheist because I do not know whether or not there is a god. I consider myself scientifically and logically agnostic, but also catholic, which is my background and because I feel more catholic if I have to choose a religion.
The fact is that I do not think there is what I call a humanized god. When you read scriptures, you may imagine God as man-looking and with man-reasonning. I think there is "something", but it may also be some mathematics or science explained thing, not a humanized god. I do not know. So I am agnostic and catholic.


I agree, sparkplugloy. I was having an arguement with a guy on Aspietalk on this topic. I said that atheism is a belief which requires proof, but they said they didn't need proof, etc. I think the Christians DO have some proof, because the resurrection of Christ has been chronicled throughout history as an event that actually took place.


That guy would be me then. The argument i gave is that if i said the loch ness monster or tooth fairy existed most people wouldnt believe me and would think the onus is on me to prove it, not on my disbelievers to prove that it didnt exist. I dont see how things are any different with religion. I dont think there is enough evidence about the existence of god and the christians (or any other religious belief) can preach all they like but i dont believe in god or ghosts or aliens but thats not to say i wouldnt change my mind if there was enough evidence to the contrary.



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07 Aug 2005, 8:14 pm

pyraxis wrote:
I answered no - because I'm agnostic. An atheist believes there is no god. An agnostic is not sure or is waiting for better evidence.



I dont believe there is no god. I don't see any reason to belive there IS a god.

not the same thing



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07 Aug 2005, 8:48 pm

Tak wrote:
I dont believe there is no god. I don't see any reason to belive there IS a god.

not the same thing


I hear ya, Tak. I also regard myself as an agnostic, but one who believes that there's something more sinister going on than just a god and a devil, a heaven and a hell, but has no idea what it could possibly be.


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08 Aug 2005, 12:18 am

I definitely believe there is a God and consider myself to be Christian - but I'm not much into disowning other religions . . .

I agree that God does not have gender - gender is for reproduction and I see no reason that a being that can create the universe would need to worry about sexual reproduction . . .
I have also wondered about what existed before God - and used to get in trouble for expressing that thought with my parents a lot when I was a kid . . .

There is a quote that I just love about the humanizing of God - that is turning Him (I just can't stand to use 'it') into a person - basically it says that we turned God into our image because it lets us feel more in control - if we were rats then God would be a rat . . .
But I think the truth is more of a spiritual force the pervades everything - that is why we can't see God . . .

But that is all just my opinion . . .



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08 Aug 2005, 1:43 am

RobertN wrote:
I agree, sparkplugloy. I was having an arguement with a guy on Aspietalk on this topic. I said that atheism is a belief which requires proof, but they said they didn't need proof, etc. I think the Christians DO have some proof, because the resurrection of Christ has been chronicled throughout history as an event that actually took place.


A belief is a claim of something. In a philisophical or scientific argument, the burden of proof always falls on the claiment. The christian claim is "god exists" atheism makes no claims.

No god Isnt a claim of anything, you really don't need disproof of a non proven statement.

Is it a faith to not belive in santa claus? The tooth fairy? The great spider that spins the world threads? Why? No proof. Some stories maybe, some old books, but proof? no.

By saying there is no Santa Claus are you "practicing a faith? Or Just using your brain? If someone told you not beliving in Santa was a religious belief would you take them seriously?

As to historical "proof" most is church written books, the only non christian lit claiming the historical christ is a few very questionable pages of Josephus, largely belived to be a 4th century forgery, A: The Latin is barberous, and B: Josephus despite being a Jew to the end of is writings claims "in these few pages" that Jesus is god. Higly suspect from an otherwise very orthadox Jew. That and he is a man who did chapters on minor taxation issues, and on this supposedly miraculous event he does les than half a dozen pages?

"The best non-Christian source is Flavius Josephus, a Jewish historian. He mentions James as the brother of Jesus (yes, James, the son of the eternal virgin Mary... ) and he appears to call him the brother of Jesus, known as the Christ. That phrase is suspected by some as being a forgery, but I see no reason to doubt it. Earlier in the work of Josephus there is clear evidence of Christian tampering. The Christian apologist scholar Origen, writing a century after the time of Josephus, states clearly that the Jew Josephus does not acknowledge Jesus as Messiah. And yet later, after the establishment of the official Roman church the Christian Eusebius produces the only extant copy of the work of Josephus and lo and behold it contains a clear reference to Jesus as the Jewish Messiah. Of course it is faked. Clumsily. There is a lot of controversy over exactly how much of the passage is faked."

More on the Joesphus Forgeries,

http://freethought.mbdojo.com/josephus.html
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/ ... swers.html
http://www.mwillett.org/atheism/jesusmyth.htm

Lastly just for amusement, the town of Nazereth didn't exist till the 4th century AD. :)



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08 Aug 2005, 1:46 am

God is a circular argument, with no way to prove nor disprove.

I am atheist because of what I understand of the universe it does not support any sort of spirituality or god(s) without sticking out like a sore thumb. This is my reason. I believe in explaining things via science and the scienc of human nature and perception. Given that perspective, things make much more sense to me than something unknown which I must have faith in despite that it seems illogical. (If there is a god, why is he/she/it not logical??? Who says?)

Anyways. It is useless arguing over such things because no one ever convinced anyone but themselves. Let's argue about what we think we know, and conjecture about what we believe.


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08 Aug 2005, 4:58 am

Look, maybe agnostic is a better description of what I am. I'm open to the possibility of a God, but if I had to make a choice over whether there is one or not, I'd say not. It just doesn't make sense to me.


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08 Aug 2005, 6:52 am

I do not agree, Tak.

You must provide proof of your belief that God (or the tooth fairy) doesn't exist.

For all we know, the tooth fairy or the Great Monster of the Deep may actually exist, its just we haven't spotted them yet. :P



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08 Aug 2005, 7:03 am

There is a possibility that the tooth fairy exists, it's just that s/he doesn't come to any kids we know about.


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