Briton Convicted in Sudan Blasphemy Case

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29 Nov 2007, 2:37 pm

Briton Convicted in Sudan Blasphemy Case

I'm guessing that 'Mohammed Brand Maxi Pads' won't sell very well in Sudan...



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29 Nov 2007, 3:11 pm

I'm glad that she didn't get any lashes. It sucks that she still was punished, but at least she wasn't (physically) hurt. She wasn't doing anything wrong; they even had that little boy come forward and say that they named it after him.

I hope that the appeal does not become like the appeal of the woman who was gang-raped; she was sentenced to more because of that. I hope that her appeal either overturns her conviction (which would be the best thing to happen, perhaps; but perhaps some of the conservatives would hurt her if she stayed then, which wouldn't be good at all), or simply keeps it the same... More punishment wouldn't be good.


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29 Nov 2007, 4:50 pm

It's a slap-on-the-wrist sentence. A conviction to keep the religious conservatives happy, very short term, and she has to leave a country she wouldn't be safe returning to anyway. I'm not sure why you'd want to appeal that? It's a better result than I was expecting, for sure.


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29 Nov 2007, 6:15 pm

jailed for an innocent mistake,and they are deporting her to when she gets out of jail,better off out of that place when she's treated like that.
the parents could have told the teacher her mistake or got someone from the school to do it rather than want her whipped and jailed when she teaches their children.
sharia law is disgusting.


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29 Nov 2007, 6:43 pm

There is so much wrong with that case.
She didn't name the Teddy Bear by herself.
She likely didn't know about the "law".
She taught in a private, Christian school.
She didn't hurt anyone.

Why would you allow other religions if they still be obligated to observe Islam?!



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29 Nov 2007, 7:12 pm

mmaestro wrote:
It's a slap-on-the-wrist sentence. A conviction to keep the religious conservatives happy, very short term, and she has to leave a country she wouldn't be safe returning to anyway. I'm not sure why you'd want to appeal that? It's a better result than I was expecting, for sure.


If you think they were harsh in Sudan, in Pakistan blasphemy of the prophet Muhammad carries the death penalty.


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30 Nov 2007, 11:10 am

People are demonstrating for her death now. This is why I regularly wish religious fanatics would all be teleported to another planet where they can kill each other rather trying to kill and harass reasonable people<also they would be unable to reproduce so no children would be harmed or corrupted by them



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30 Nov 2007, 3:14 pm

kitsunetsuki wrote:
People are demonstrating for her death now....

And we've given the ungrateful bastards over £300m in aid the last few years.



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30 Nov 2007, 5:38 pm

Here's a big fat clue from someone who has lived and worked in the Middle East and Africa.

Muslims do not treat their prophet the same way that Christians and Westerners treat Jesus, things are much MUCH more serious. As an example, you may in the Western world hear phrases such as 'Oh Jesus' or 'Jesus Christ', this would NEVER happen in an Islamic country. There are no images of the prophet and when writing his name it is much better (and far safer) to refer to 'the prophet' rather than 'Mohammed'.

The offense of blasphemy is regarded much more seriously in Muslim countries than in the West. Remember that countries such as Saudi Arabia have 'normal' police who enforce the law of the land and religious police who are there no enforce the laws of Islam. People have DIED for the offense of blasphemy so whenever you are considering mentioning the name of the prophet in any way, shape or form you need to stop and think. Just remember, this is serious, make the wrong decision and you might end up spending years in a prison cell or suffering the lash.

If in doubt, ask. The local embassy or consulate (whatever nationality you are) will be glad to help. You could also consider asking a local Iman (similar to a priest) if you want to do something like name a teddy bear or your local sandwich bar after the prophet, I can guarantee that they would not be happy with your idea.

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30 Nov 2007, 6:03 pm

I still think they are wrong, it's idiotic to kill people over what is very likely a made up thing that being religion. If their god was so annoyed by something he would throw a bolt of thunder or something like that at the offender.

I also think religions are created to control people and maintain power structures, people are only animals that spend time creating hierarchy's so that they and their own tribe profit and survive . I don't think this is a good thing I think it would be best if people were just nice because being kind makes the world better for themselves or others rather then some gods punishments.

I also don't believe people will change any more then tigers will stop hunting. Humans are animals and as far as I have watched all they do is act on instinct sometimes they use pretty words or religion to justify what they do but still all they want is to gather resources and reproduce and see their offspring continue on to do the same.

Maybe there is something more but I doubt it would care what you name a teddy bear.



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30 Nov 2007, 6:08 pm

And yet they have no problem with people choosing the name Mohammed when they take up Islam and become terrorists.



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01 Dec 2007, 2:06 pm

polarity wrote:
And yet they have no problem with people choosing the name Mohammed when they take up Islam and become terrorists.


Good point. I’m not convinced that calling a teddy bear Mohammed is blasphemous under Islam. But whether it is or it isn’t is a minor issue in my opinion. What does seem obvious to me is that there are a lot of Muslims out there who love an excuse to march through the streets threatening death to the infidels. And you don’t need to know much about Islam to understand the reason why. Islam is hellbent on world conquest, and it always has been.

Anyway, it’s good to see Ms Gibbons is coming home.



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01 Dec 2007, 8:53 pm

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I still think they are wrong, it's idiotic to kill people over what is very likely a made up thing that being religion. If their god was so annoyed by something he would throw a bolt of thunder or something like that at the offender.

I also think religions are created to control people and maintain power structures, people are only animals that spend time creating hierarchy's so that they and their own tribe profit and survive . I don't think this is a good thing I think it would be best if people were just nice because being kind makes the world better for themselves or others rather then some gods punishments.

I also don't believe people will change any more then tigers will stop hunting. Humans are animals and as far as I have watched all they do is act on instinct sometimes they use pretty words or religion to justify what they do but still all they want is to gather resources and reproduce and see their offspring continue on to do the same.

Maybe there is something more but I doubt it would care what you name a teddy bear.



You read Phillip Pullman much lately?


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02 Dec 2007, 12:58 am

I don't see how naming a teddy bear Muhammed is an insult. You are right, it is just an excuse to march through the streets calling for the death of infidels.


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02 Dec 2007, 2:03 am

They're just proving what animals they are. They're not going to punish the children for naming the bear right? Cause it was them who came up with the name. Of course it's the non-Islamic teacher's fault. It's like they're campaigning to try and get themselves bombed out of exsistence. What infantile country arrests someone over a name? It's like they have cranky babies running everything over there.


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02 Dec 2007, 2:51 am

violet_yoshi wrote:
They're just proving what animals they are. They're not going to punish the children for naming the bear right? Cause it was them who came up with the name. Of course it's the non-Islamic teacher's fault. It's like they're campaigning to try and get themselves bombed out of exsistence. What infantile country arrests someone over a name? It's like they have cranky babies running everything over there.


They're doing what they think is right. I'm not saying that I agree with what their doing, but at least she gets to live. If; for example, an arab muslim type did something like that as a characture of Jesus...wouldn't people get offended? I think I would. Sometimes, the proverb, "Put yourself in the other person's shoes" applies.


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