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10 Jan 2008, 4:49 pm

I have a belief that once Islam, or at least extremist Islam, ceases to exist, the government can go back to focusing on enrich our lives and the arts like the '90s, and the United States will no longer be hated by the snobbish Europeans and the barbaric Arabs.

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10 Jan 2008, 4:59 pm

Until the media finds another threat to make us worry about...

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10 Jan 2008, 5:04 pm

Well first off... ideas are hard to snuff out. The pagan religion was mostly destroyed, yet now offshoots of it are fairly common, such as wiccan. (Pretty sure I'm thinking of the right words here, could be wrong...) Second off, if the threat of terrorism was gone, there wouldn't be a terrible difference I think. Before 9/11, the world wasn't perfect. As much as I'd like to think its any one thing that stops the world from being better, it just isn't. And besides, whats stopping them from working on enriching our lives now? Sure, theres the war going on, but they don't spend every waking moment thinking about it.

And third off... this probably belongs in the Politics, Philosophy, and Religion forum.

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10 Jan 2008, 5:24 pm

They'd have to change a huge deal more than pull the troops out and stop waging illegal war on other countries for my view of the US to improve...

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10 Jan 2008, 5:30 pm

Even when the war has ended, America will remain on the path to fascist theocracy. It's an ideal that lead to a war, not the other way around.

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Well first off... ideas are hard to snuff out. The pagan religion was mostly destroyed, yet now offshoots of it are fairly common, such as wiccan.

Paganism covers a broad range of belief systems that can hardly be grouped as "the pagan religion". In general, you can assume it to cover everything that's not Abrahamic in origin. You might mean Celtic, Roman, Greek, Norse or other pagan mythologies. In any case, they were never really destroyed, just mostly displaced by Christianity. Unbroken traditions of all of those listed still remain, though usually different forms. Wicca is totally new and not really a continuation of anything.

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10 Jan 2008, 5:31 pm

first of all. the majority of terrorist acts committed in the united states are carried out by christian extremist groups (like abortion clinic bombings, etc).

There are not very many extremist muslims. The media blows it out of proportion. Second of all, Arabs are by no means barbaric...

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10 Jan 2008, 5:39 pm

alex wrote:

Anyone can call themselves a Christian or a Muslim but that doesn't make them followers of the particular religion they claim to be following.

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10 Jan 2008, 5:47 pm

alex wrote:

(buzzer) Most stereotypes are, unfortunately, based on reality. The Muslims have been much poorer than Christendom since the beginning of their history. There are hardly ANY Christian extremists, and you obviously don't live in the united states if you think that most terrorist acts are committed by Christian Extremists (of which there are very few). The abortion clinic bombers, although I do not endorse them, killed very few and saved many more.

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10 Jan 2008, 5:53 pm

If anyone looks at the past, present, or future, and isn't brainwashed it's obvious Christianity is superior to Islam. Muslims are poor, violent and uneducated. Christians are rich, peaceful and for the most part educated. Christian art is far superior to Islamic art in my opinion. How many books by Muslim authors have you read? Without Christianity, there is no freedom or democracy.

Of course, ignorant pigs will be ignorant pigs.

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10 Jan 2008, 5:59 pm

alex wrote:

... Second of all, Arabs are by no means barbaric...

www.economist.com wrote:

AS CLASSIC film buffs know, a double indemnity is an insurance policy that pays double when the insured person dies in an accident. But in Saudi Arabia, the principle appears to apply to rape victims who have the temerity to appeal, after they have been convicted along with their aggressors.

Last year a 19-year-old woman in the eastern town of Qatif appealed against a sentence of 90 lashes for the crime of khulwa (seclusion) with a man who was not related to her. Her lawyer argued that meeting a former friend in a shopping-centre car park, to retrieve a photo of herself that she feared would upset her fiancé, was scarcely so grave an offence. Moreover, this “crime” was far outweighed by the fact that the two friends had been interrupted by seven youths, who abducted them at knife-point and allegedly gang-raped both of them, repeatedly.

An appeals court recently overturned the Qatif judge's ruling, doubling the alleged rapists' sentences to between two and 11 years in jail. But it also more than doubled the rape victims' sentences to 200 lashes, adding six-month jail terms. To add further insult, it barred the woman's lawyer from the court, suspended his licence and referred him to a disciplinary board.

not to mention honour killings, female infanticide, female circumcision, but I suppose that's just a cultural thing

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10 Jan 2008, 6:00 pm

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Holy crap. You are a complete and total idiot. What does extremist Islam have to do with the current war in Iraq? Before you answer, remember that Iraq was under a secular government before we invaded, and is now an Islamic theocracy. And how does Islam cause Europeans and Arabs to hate us? I'm pretty sure Arabs hate us because we interfere in their internal affairs (ie overthrowing democratically elected leaders) and try to bully them around in pursuit of our oil interests. Europe probably hates us for OUR snobbishness, not theirs, as we go around trying to advance some crazy imperialist agenda without regard for the rest of the world.

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(buzzer) Most stereotypes are, unfortunately, based on reality. The Muslims have been much poorer than Christendom since the beginning of their history.

Read some history before you go spouting off nonsense like this. The Muslim cultures were wealthier than "Christendom" until mercantilism brought large piles of gold and silver to Europe form the Americas.
There's more I could say but I don't really want to waste any more of my time with this nonsense.

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10 Jan 2008, 6:08 pm

Orwell wrote:

Chuchulainn wrote:

(buzzer) Most stereotypes are, unfortunately, based on reality. The Muslims have been much poorer than Christendom since the beginning of their history.

Please don't tell me to read about history. I've read volumes upon volumes (and I mean a whole library) about ancient and medieval history. The Arabs never defeated Christendom.

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10 Jan 2008, 6:12 pm

Orwell wrote:

Suggest you read "The European Miracle" by Eric Jones. Gold and silver has nothing to do with it.

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10 Jan 2008, 6:13 pm

Chuchulainn wrote:

Orwell wrote:

Chuchulainn wrote:

(buzzer) Most stereotypes are, unfortunately, based on reality. The Muslims have been much poorer than Christendom since the beginning of their history.

Please don't tell me to read about history. I've read volumes upon volumes (and I mean a whole library) about ancient and medieval history. The Arabs never defeated Christendom.

ANd nor were they ever anything close to rich. You're thinking of the Indians and the Persians (who were ancient Arabs that were Zoroastrianists.

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10 Jan 2008, 6:19 pm

Chuchulainn wrote:

Muslims are poor, violent and uneducated.

Sorry but that crosses the line. Goodbye.

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10 Jan 2008, 6:20 pm

Come on, surely you don't think that Islamofascism is purely to blame for the anti-americanist sentiment displayed around the world?

But still, I don't think it was justified to ban this guy. He was criticising what is mostly a choice. You choose religious beliefs.

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