UK: Offenders to be chipped like dogs

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15 Jan 2008, 4:18 pm

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politi ... 333852.ece

comment someone made on another forum;

'This one, of course, is 'stepping stone' - you start off by microchipping animals, then prisoners (who cares about them?)... then why not paedophiles? And of course children - so you know they are safe. Then old people so that their medical records can be scanned. Then when you wish to force everyone to do it, it's far less unpalatable.

This looks like the slippery slope that conspiracy theorists have been warning us about for decades. And maybe the bible too;

And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads. And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Revelation 13:16-17



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15 Jan 2008, 4:35 pm

We're all potential criminals in Brown's Britain. And yes it is a very slippery slope.



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15 Jan 2008, 5:03 pm

It's things like this that I find profoundly depressing. When the Government thinks of stuff like this (if they can ever get it off the ground, heh!) they need to be replaced as a matter of urgency.



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15 Jan 2008, 5:20 pm

Well intentioned, but not good for freedom. Limited-period leg tagging of criminals is all that is needed. If a criminal is going to commit a crime, first thing they will do is remove their leg tag. That should be sufficient warning that they are going to do something else that is illegal after that.


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15 Jan 2008, 5:22 pm

Anubis wrote:
Well intentioned, but not good for freedom.


I don't believe they care about freedom.



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15 Jan 2008, 5:27 pm

Anubis wrote:
Well intentioned, but not good for freedom. Limited-period leg tagging of criminals is all that is needed. If a criminal is going to commit a crime, first thing they will do is remove their leg tag. That should be sufficient warning that they are going to do something else that is illegal after that.

Some prisoners are 'short term' tagged at around the 1/4 point of their sentence, and released on curfew up to the 1/2 way point of sentence, when the tag is removed; this only applies to 'minor' crimes that attract a custodial sentence, and any interference with the tag results in them being returned to prison.
I dont think the government will sanction the expense of tagging or 'chipping' people, either financialy or politically 8O


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15 Jan 2008, 5:29 pm

Any criminal desperate enough to get away knows where to go for getting the microchip removed and/or modified. In other words, tagging still won't be useful for very long. Even tattoos are removable. :?



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15 Jan 2008, 5:42 pm

Tequila wrote:
Anubis wrote:
Well intentioned, but not good for freedom.


I don't believe they care about freedom.


True, true. Even if it was well intentioned, I meant.


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15 Jan 2008, 6:18 pm

"The Government has been forced to review sentencing policy amid serious overcrowding in the nation's jails, after the prison population soared from 60,000 in 1997 to 80,000 today."

I'd hardly call that 'soaring'. In 10 years that seems 'normal', given population increase size. 80,000 out of a total population of some million? That's not a lot really. Starts to look like an engineered 'moral panic'.

"The crisis meant the number of prisoners held in police cells rose 13-fold last year, with police stations housing offenders more than 60,000 times in 2007, up from 4,617 the previous year."

Well that doesn't seem to correspond with the stats in their previous paragraph. This is bogus statisticifying.


"The UK has the highest prison population per capita in western Europe"

Really?

Well you can't send em out here anymore.



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15 Jan 2008, 6:28 pm

Yes we can. I think we should, too. Let's reopen the penal colonies!


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15 Jan 2008, 7:23 pm

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15 Jan 2008, 7:32 pm

:?


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15 Jan 2008, 8:12 pm

Even more reason to get out of this place...


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16 Jan 2008, 1:00 am

So what happens if someone puts a powerful magnet directly over the spot where the chip is? Will the magnetic field neutralize the chip?


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16 Jan 2008, 3:19 am

no, I have seen someone with a chip undergo an MRI scan on tv that using a magnetic field but the chip still worked.

(the person had a chip that stored her medical history,she was not a crook)

scary thought people knowing where u are 24/7. are those cameras they set up over the place benefiting in any way?



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16 Jan 2008, 4:38 am

Anubis wrote:
Well intentioned.


Not well intentioned at all. Have you ever read Nineteen Eighty-four?