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06 Mar 2008, 6:59 pm

Has anyone ever seen ABC news a few minutes ago? The scientists claimed to prove that the vaccines are connected with the disorder. They disproved that connection a week ago. Now they came up and say that vaccines cause autism?

What the hell is going on?!



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06 Mar 2008, 7:05 pm

The conflicted nature of the media and science are what's going on, alongside the fact that politics and personal agendas corrupt both.



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06 Mar 2008, 7:27 pm

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The conflicted nature of the media and science are what's going on, alongside the fact that politics and personal agendas corrupt both.


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06 Mar 2008, 7:29 pm

so if they stopped using those vaccines containing the mercury preservatives back in 2001.... why is autism STILL on the increase?


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06 Mar 2008, 7:51 pm

Sedaka wrote:
so if they stopped using those vaccines containing the mercury preservatives back in 2001.... why is autism STILL on the increase?


Yeah, AND, when I was a little kid, they had mercurachrome!! ! It apparently isn't sold anymore, and many say it, like the name implies, contains mercury! But kids got lots of scrapes, etc.... and mercurachrome was one of the things often used to disinfect them! So WHY didn't I see autistic kids on every corner?



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06 Mar 2008, 7:55 pm

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Has anyone ever seen ABC news a few minutes ago? The scientists claimed to prove that the vaccines are connected with the disorder. They disproved that connection a week ago. Now they came up and say that vaccines cause autism?

What the hell is going on?!


What's going on is that the scientists doing this are letting subjective bias taint their results.

This also happens frequently with dieticians. Every week they change what's supposed to be good for you and bad for you.


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06 Mar 2008, 7:55 pm

Try and do what I do. Trust science and forget the media.

The media are great at scaring people which is what I think they are trying to do yet again.



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06 Mar 2008, 8:04 pm

Haha! I knew that was bull! It's because of the media that we have to go on a shopping spree during the Christmas season LOL



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06 Mar 2008, 8:10 pm

The one that I read about suggested (not actually explained in the article.. gg AS) that it was actually the fact that a girl had some sort of sensitivity towards multiple vaccinations or something similar. She developed symptoms SIMILAR to (that couldn't be described as anything other than) autism. So it didn't actually prove that autism was derived from vaccinations.


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06 Mar 2008, 10:25 pm

LadyMacbeth wrote:
The one that I read about suggested (not actually explained in the article.. gg AS) that it was actually the fact that a girl had some sort of sensitivity towards multiple vaccinations or something similar. She developed symptoms SIMILAR to (that couldn't be described as anything other than) autism. So it didn't actually prove that autism was derived from vaccinations.


I seem to remember something about encephalitis... which is very rare but not unheard of being linked with vaccinations. Even the CDC will report that, although they won't advertise it in big red letters. ;)


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06 Mar 2008, 10:56 pm

There have been two threads devoted to discussion of the print version of this story. In brief, the young lady involved had a mitochondrial disorder, which has, among its symptoms, some that are shared with autism. Her parents maintain that her condition was caused by a vaccine. The government's attorneys, while not stating anything about responsibility, have conceded that it is possible that her condition was aggravated by the vaccine in question, and have concluded it would be less costly to grant the family the sum of money they request than to continue the fight in court.

The story on ABC News did make it plain, I thought, that the science still shows that vaccines do not cause autism; the incidence of the mitochondrial disorder in question is approximately 1 in 4000 children, so the risk of vaccination is still vastly outweighed by the risk of not vaccinating. If there was any lack of clarity, it was on the part of the reporter, not on the part of the scientific consensus.


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07 Mar 2008, 1:35 am

Mercury is still in product's used today, like toilet paper and paper towels , often in cotton swabs and cotton balls, they still use it to clean them before they go onto the shelves in stores.It may be a bit of a leap, but i think this is why people are still being diagnosed with aspergers disorder.

It upsets me to know this is the cause of my mental disorder , i wish humanity was better, but we are all human ,are we not . So at least we are slowly but surly learning from our mistakes.



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07 Mar 2008, 2:41 am

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There have been two threads devoted to discussion of the print version of this story. In brief, the young lady involved had a mitochondrial disorder, which has, among its symptoms, some that are shared with autism. Her parents maintain that her condition was caused by a vaccine. The government's attorneys, while not stating anything about responsibility, have conceded that it is possible that her condition was aggravated by the vaccine in question, and have concluded it would be less costly to grant the family the sum of money they request than to continue the fight in court.

However, the girl was vaccinated while ill (she had been sick for over a year, which is why they delayed vaccinating until they did), which ain't too smart.

Second, her mom has admitted that her daughter would probably have still shown these autistic traits even if she weren't fully vaccinated.

In other words, David Kirby's crappy "journalism" is misleading the public YET AGAIN.


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07 Mar 2008, 4:25 am

Chimchar wrote:
Has anyone ever seen ABC news a few minutes ago? The scientists claimed to prove that the vaccines are connected with the disorder. They disproved that connection a week ago. Now they came up and say that vaccines cause autism?

What the hell is going on?!


Sensationalist interpretation of the press conference in Atlanta.

Thank you for that note, Beau! I saw the CBS News and their expert made a point about five injections in rapid succession. I've been saying for a long time - no doctor should apply any vaccine to a sick child (that's just asking for a negative reaction!).

I've done a post on this for my blog which I'll be putting up when I'm finished on this forum;

http://timelordphil.bigblog.com.au



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07 Mar 2008, 7:33 am

Lol!! ! Sorry that was [b]CBS[/b] not ABC. Sorry I often mistake the two.

But which autism are the media talking about? The low-functioners? Or the Aspergers spectrum? They didn't mention which spectrum they're talking about.

If it's Asperger's, who cares, your kid can live. It's better to have autism than some deadly disease like hepatitis or polio.



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07 Mar 2008, 2:17 pm

Sedaka wrote:
so if they stopped using those vaccines containing the mercury preservatives back in 2001.... why is autism STILL on the increase?


1. There is no proof that autism rates are increasing. Even if rates were increasing, it still wouldn't rule out mercury as one of the causes. It would just mean other non-mercury causes were increasing.

2. The study this is based on looked at autism rates in 3 year olds. They found that autism increased 333% during the past 12 years. The reason autism increased in 3 year olds, based on the results of scientific studies, is because children are being diagnosed earlier. This can't possibly be used to rule out mercury as a cause.

3. It is illogical to claim that thimerosal isn't involved because autism is increasing and then turn around and claim that autism is soley caused by genetics. Genetic disorders don't increase 300% in one decade. If autism is genetic, and therefore it doesn't increase, then this study is meaningless because the increase would be due to more cases being diagnosed and nothing to do with thimerosal.

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Yeah, AND, when I was a little kid, they had mercurachrome!! ! It apparently isn't sold anymore, and many say it, like the name implies, contains mercury! But kids got lots of scrapes, etc.... and mercurachrome was one of the things often used to disinfect them! So WHY didn't I see autistic kids on every corner?


Totally irrelevent. Unless they were giving massive doses of mercurachrome to 1 year old or younger babies, the information you provided is meaningless. No one believes that exposing a 5 year old kid to a small amount of mercury will cause him to suddenly regress into autism. Also, no one believes that mercury causes autism in every person exposed to it.