MMR Autism Doctor Denies Submitting Kids To Painful Tests

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30 Mar 2008, 10:35 am

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Dr. Andrew Wakefield told a General Medical Council (GMC) disciplinary panel he did not submit young children to painful tests just to further his theories linking vaccinations to autism. He stressed that the tests were clinically necessary to diagnose and treat the young children - he said the children had autistic-like symptoms as well as debilitating bowel diseases.

A decade ago Dr. Wakefield said the MMR vaccine may cause autism.

Professor John Walker-Smith, the doctor of the young children, had ordered all the tests, according to Wakefield. The investigations - including painful colonoscopies, lumbar punctures (taking spinal fluid), brain scans, blood tests, and urine tests - were stopped when they could not reveal a link to the children's problems. He insisted that the well-being of the children was "our foremost consideration".

Dr. Wakefield is not a practicing clinician, he is an academic. He is accused of ordering tests against the children's best interests in order to further his own research - and by doing so breaking rules. However, he says he played no role whatsoever in deciding whether the tests should or should not take place. According to Wakefield, all the parents were very keen for their children to be included in the tests, and knew about the research program.

He said parents had told him about their 'normal' children who developed autism after receiving the MMR vaccine and started investigating a potential link in 1995. He had previously investigated a possible link between the MMR vaccine and Crohn's disease. "They were telling what turned out to be a remarkably consistent story of a normal child who they had lost, who had lost speech, communication, play, interaction with siblings, had sometimes become incontinent … was bloated, off their food, was losing weight, was failing to thrive."

While answering the Panel's questions (during the hearing) several supporters were gathered outside with banners indicating support for Wakefield. Professor Walker-Smith, Professor Simon Murch and Dr Wakefield all deny serious professional conduct.

According to the Daily Mail, Dr. Wakefield charged over £150 ($300) per hour to a law firm that had planned to sue the vaccine's manufacturer. He invoiced Richard Barr, a lawyer, the hourly rate for investigating alleged dangerous side-effects of the MMR vaccine. Two years later Wakefield published his research paper, alleging a causal link between MMR and autism in young children. However, he did not disclose that he was being paid as an expert advisor for Mr. Barr, who was in legal proceedings against the manufacturers of the MMR vaccine - a clear conflict of interest.

Most of the children who were examined were represented by Mr. Barr. When Dr. Wakefield's report came out, it led to a dramatic drop in the number of children receiving the MMR jab, and a subsequent rise in children developing measles.



http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/102162.php


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30 Mar 2008, 2:35 pm

According to www.briandeer.com, Wakefield made about £500,000 from his legal work, but forgot to mention it when asked about conflict of interests. It's about the same sum JACK PIPER received in compensation, after being left with profound disabilities after visiting Wakefield's clinic at the London hospital where he use to work.


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30 Mar 2008, 2:36 pm

According to www.briandeer.com, Wakefield made about £500,000 from his legal work, but forgot to mention it when asked about conflict of interests. It's about the same sum JACK PIPER received in compensation, after being left with profound disabilities after visiting Wakefield's clinic at the London hospital where he use to work.


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30 Mar 2008, 2:37 pm

According to www.briandeer.com, Wakefield made about £500,000 from his legal work, but forgot to mention it when asked about conflict of interests. It's about the same sum JACK PIPER received in compensation, after being left with profound disabilities after visiting Wakefield's clinic at the London hospital where he use to work.


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30 Mar 2008, 5:16 pm

He's guilty. The man needs to be thrown in jail in my book, and discredited in the biggest way possible (if he hasn't already).



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30 Mar 2008, 6:59 pm

He needs to die. Everyone who would even think of using autisic kids of any intelligence in this manner deserves to die.


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30 Mar 2008, 8:37 pm

A doctor shouldn't lose his license just because some people are offended by his findings. For those who accuse him of being a junk scientist, that won't work anymore because his findings have been confirmed by other researchers.

Revealed: more evidence to challenge the safety of MMR
By Lorraine Fraser at http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... nmmr16.xml
Last Updated: 9:54pm BST 15/06/2002

Scientists have found new evidence to support fears that the MMR vaccine is causing children to develop autism and bowel disease, The Telegraph can reveal today.

Specialists from Trinity College, Dublin, have detected the strain of measles virus used in the MMR jab in tissue samples from the inflamed intestines of 12 children, who each developed autism after receiving the injection.

The results will add further weight to claims that MMR may be responsible for a rapid rise in autism in children over the past decade.



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30 Mar 2008, 8:55 pm

Can you post a link to the actual article? I can't find it anywhere on that site. Also, why doesn't it site the research studies that supposedly back up the MMR link? All the studies sited only listed a GI link, which could be a symptom of autism the same way large tongues are a symptom of Down's syndrome. But that doesn't have anything to do with proving MMR causes autism.



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30 Mar 2008, 9:11 pm

zendell, I see you chose to ignore the financial issues involved. Wakefield certainly does need to have his license revoked because he showed a deplorable lack of respect for professional ethics. You aren't supposed to help those you have financial ties to by publishing "research" that supports their side of a lawsuit. I plan to go into biology, and in the class I sat in on at Princeton last week (an upper-level course, mostly seniors who will continue with research careers) people burst out laughing when Wakefield's study was brought up. No real scientists take him seriously, and there are very good reasons for this.


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31 Mar 2008, 5:06 am

zendell wrote:
A doctor shouldn't lose his license just because some people are offended by his findings.


He should lose his license because his stupidity resulted in the deaths of children from the measles thanks to parents who believed his BS before properly checking.

I call that involuntary manslaughter - a criminal act.



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31 Mar 2008, 5:54 am

Mage wrote:
Can you post a link to the actual article? I can't find it anywhere on that site. Also, why doesn't it site the research studies that supposedly back up the MMR link? All the studies sited only listed a GI link, which could be a symptom of autism the same way large tongues are a symptom of Down's syndrome. But that doesn't have anything to do with proving MMR causes autism.


http://www.asd-forum.org.uk/forum/lofiv ... t8564.html

The parents claim their NT kids suddenly became autistic within days of the MMR vaccine so finding a measles infection in their gut is good evidence that the live measles virus in the vaccine gave them autism.

Note: None of the kids had infantile autism. They all had regressive autism meaning they weren't born with it but developed it shortly after getting vaccinated.



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31 Mar 2008, 6:02 am

TLPG wrote:
zendell wrote:
A doctor shouldn't lose his license just because some people are offended by his findings.


He should lose his license because his stupidity resulted in the deaths of children from the measles thanks to parents who believed his BS before properly checking.

I call that involuntary manslaughter - a criminal act.


What should happen to the doctors who recommend vaccines when their victims contract measles from the vaccine? If their patients die from the measles virus they got from the vaccine, should their doctors be charged with involuntary manslaughter for giving them the MMR vaccine?



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31 Mar 2008, 8:09 am

zendell wrote:
TLPG wrote:
zendell wrote:
A doctor shouldn't lose his license just because some people are offended by his findings.


He should lose his license because his stupidity resulted in the deaths of children from the measles thanks to parents who believed his BS before properly checking.

I call that involuntary manslaughter - a criminal act.


What should happen to the doctors who recommend vaccines when their victims contract measles from the vaccine? If their patients die from the measles virus they got from the vaccine, should their doctors be charged with involuntary manslaughter for giving them the MMR vaccine?

But that's never happened.


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31 Mar 2008, 8:51 am

zendell that link is to a forum, not to a news article. Without the news article it's impossible to see when it when published, what studies are sited, and who the actual author is.

I suspect this "article" does not actually exist and it's simply an email forward made by a vaccine opponent.



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31 Mar 2008, 12:12 pm

Mage wrote:
zendell that link is to a forum, not to a news article. Without the news article it's impossible to see when it when published, what studies are sited, and who the actual author is.

I suspect this "article" does not actually exist and it's simply an email forward made by a vaccine opponent.


The article is from the Sunday Express, a newspaper in the UK. The article is real. I read about it when it was published. I searched for it to post here but it looks like they don't archive older articles on their website.



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31 Mar 2008, 12:25 pm

Good news. I found the article still listed at another newspaper, also in the UK as the US media appears to censor articles that don't agree with their agenda. The research by Dr. Krigsman provides more evidence that the MMR vaccine causes measles in children that can lead to autism and serious bowel problems. I posted a few quotes below but check http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... nmmr23.xml to get the full article.

US experts back MMR doctor's findings
Last Updated: 12:01am BST 23/06/2002

"Scientists in America have reported the first independent corroboration of the research findings of Dr Andrew Wakefield, the specialist who has questioned the safety of the childhood MMR vaccine.

Dr Arthur Krigsman, from New York University School of Medicine, has observed serious intestinal inflammation in autistic children identical to that described by the controversial British doctor and his colleagues in a research paper four years ago.

Dr Krigsman's discovery is significant because it independently supports Dr Wakefield's conclusion that a previously unidentified and devastating combination of bowel and brain disease is afflicting young children - a claim that the Department of Health has dismissed as "bad science".

Pathologists at Trinity College, Dublin, have since identified measles virus in bowel tissue samples from 75 of these children and, as reported in The Telegraph last week, now claim to have evidence that the virus comes from MMR."

I think everyone should play it safe and warn others to avoid the MMR shot. Single vaccines may have a better outcome but "In Britain, the Department of Health has rejected calls to allow single measles vaccines on the NHS as an alternative" so it's probably best to avoid this vaccine entirely to avoid contracting measles from the MMR vaccine especially since measles can be deadly. I think giving the MMR to a child in light of this evidence should maybe considered child abuse or child endangerment.