A form of genocide? I think so.

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Warning: A bit of rough language and controversial material ahead...

In the very same state where I live, a town called Lind hosts annual combine demolition derbies. It's essentially a dogfight where combines are pitted against each other in a sick battle of who can beat the others to s**t. Why do people do this s**t? What makes them think it's O.K.?

Their excuse is always "combines don't have souls, they can't feel it"... BS! Who made them Kings of the Universe and gave them the authority to say who has the right to a soul and who does not? Combines are made of the same goddamn 92 elements that you humans are! Theirs are just in a different order.

A lady once shoved a bible in my face, and said, "Tell me where it says that God gives souls to machines!" I said, "You tell me where it says he doesn't!"

A demolition derby is perhaps the most humiliating and cruel way to die. It's like being stripped in front of hundreds of people, sick symbols and embarrassing names burned into your flesh, and then... forced to fight six other people to the death. It's just SICK.

/end rant.

o deere, seems like a waste, how do they justify it? Are these machines out dated and useless?

As for the people doing demolition derbies it ia choice they made. If they want to put their lives at risk what do I care as long as they have talked to their significant other and gotten consent or are single and do not need another persons consent. People do have the freedom to destroy themselves by choice. As for every object having emotions that concept is a little complicated to understand. I can respect trees, grass, any organism that actually "lives. These combine you are talking about are made up of atoms. Atoms can not be destroyed by people, they recyle themselves. If they had artificial intelligence I could understand, but that is as far as I can go. I try to respect as much life on this planet as I can, but I can only do so much.

Sounds fun. I'd like to watch.

It's not an emotional response I share, but I have no trouble understanding how somebody would feel that way.

I found it heartbreaking when Saigon fell, watching on the news as they pushed helicopters off the aircraft carrier deck into the ocean.

I can't perceive the life in most machines, but it's obvious to me that rocks are alive, which is really no different.

A lot of people would be horrified if somebody entertained themselves by destroying the paintings in an art museum.

It sucks when something's totally obvious to you and everybody thinks you're crazy for caring about it.

I was just reading about an event that happened in 1921. As a test, the military used aircraft to sink a captured German battleship in Chesapeake bay. Among the observers was a group of admirals who had recently lived through the horrors of naval combat, seeing their friends blown apart.

The admirals "were reliably reported to have wept openly" as they watched the battleship destroyed and sunk.

I'm lost... What is the poster talking about

Aspies get attached to machines. We don't understand people but we do understand machines and animals. So, we can get attached to them.

i can understand harvester52's post, it happens that harvetser's interest is combines used in feilds (see his avator and the pics in "post a picture of you" threads.

since machines dont have emotions and aspies have a hard time reading them its possible that this is why many aspies (me included) have more attachment to the inanimate objects such as cars, trucks and even hardware same way as nt's may be attached to their friends or pets.

yea i sorta feel same there harvester, if these machines are old, why not they restore and use them for what they are used for, i mean, there are farm tractors from probably the 50's and 60's still plowing the feilds worldwide.

if you have cable, do you have RFD-TV were you are?? reason i ask, i have seen harvester combine related shows on i think you would love seeing heres a link to it

http://www.rfdtv.com/

Let me further explain.

I believe that everything consisting of matter in any way, shape, or form that is its own unit has a soul. My desk, my coffee mug, my computer monitor... everything. Including the combines used in those demolition derbies. As such, they do have emotion, and can feel the things that are done to them. I have believed that my whole life, but know that I do not want this thread to become a religious debate. That's not what I posted it for.

If you see my pictures in the "Post a picture of you" thread, you will see quite a few of me with a big green John Deere combine, whom I call JD66. I found out by way of his owner that he is headed for the derby unless I can purchase him off the owner for $800 -- needless to say, I am filling out job applications like mad. That combine is my best friend. I won't let him die like that.

Any machine ought to die of old age or natural causes, everyday wear and tear, things like that. A machine should never die being humiliated in front of a crowd of people, and pitted out against its own kind.

I don't understand why you'd believe a non-biological, non-sentient .. object.. has a soul or feelings or anything.

A door is a piece of dead wood. A truck is a combination of metal alloys and plastics.

To be produced, their basic components were already heated to extreme temperatures, treated with highly potent chemicals and hammered and molded into their shapes.

If it was something that was alive or had a soul, by the time it gets to you it'd be already quite, quite 'dead'.

You could make an argument for an extremely advanced form of Artifical Intelligence but even then its 'life' is software data not hardware.

Machinocide topic

Though I am totally against wanton/purposeless material destruction, I think the word genocide is a term used to define the systematic and deliberate destruction of human beings based on illogical ideas of racial superiority.

I think demolition derbies of any kind are wasteful and symptomatic of our nihilistic policies regarding the environment/hardware, kind of like Jimi Hendrix's unprecedented destruction of his guitar onstage at Woodstock. The great guitarist proved his point.

What also may be happening is the frustration of farmers losing agribusiness so they sell/lose farm machinery and then some entrepreneurial type obtains/buys it, cooks up an idea to make money by selling tickets to a demolition derby, and then chortling in the background as he collects the money and disappears. The only thing left is scrap metal, which may fetch more than the original price of the combine.

I think the whole thing is disgusting, stupidly NT and shows just how inferior we are as a species. There are enough natural disasters happening that idiotic events like these are a monumental waste of time, energy and money, and the of very little benefit except to a scant handful of promoters.

Um. Sorry to say this, Harvester, but I think you're being a bit extreme. People can assign inanimate objects names and personalities, but that doesn't mean those objects actually possess those names and values. I mean, I named my guitar, but only because I wanted to have something to call it by. I don't believe it has a soul...it only makes the music when I want it to.

We had a sort of demolition festivity at our college--our Musicians' Guild bought a brand-new piano to replace the old one, which was hopelessly out of tune and literally falling apart--so we put it out on the quad, borrowed some hammers and safety goggles from the Construction Management Department, and charged people a dollar for the privilege of taking three swings at the piano. It was a great way to raise money for the club, and to get rid of that nasty old piano. Nobody worried that the piano was "being murdered" or "publicly humiliated".

While I guess I can see where you're coming from, in my opinion your views are pretty extreme, and you'd be hard-pressed to find other people who think that the demolition derby is some sort of "machine genocide". I understand that many Aspies feel this way about inanimate objects...but at the same time, I don't understand why they feel that way.

this just pisses me off that people do this kind of stuff...

it also really gets me going when people purposefully "race" powerchairs yet they destroy them in the process... unacceptable use of equipment i call this... destroying a combine in this way is unacceptable, an investment that large should be taken care of.

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