New aspie thinking evaluation form

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I have translated this short thinking evaluation into english the best as i can, if you want to answer the questions and put out the answers directly here in the thread it would be very valuable for us.
Me= Bjorn and i'm a member of a local swedish volunteer group
Us= In a couple of weeks, we( 4 women and 2 men) will begin working in the field as volunteers involved in AS habilitation, we are not any experts and therefore we would want to know more about it for preparation purposes only.


1. Are you..

1. visual thinker
2. non visual thinker

2. How do you mainly recognize faces?

1. photographic memory
2. remembering details about the face such as eyebrowes, the nose and so on
3. just a feeling(may be a combination of expressions, eye looks(or what you say in english..) and/ or the face as whole, but i never really reflect about how i regognized that particular person)
4. i combine=
1 and 2?
1 and 3?
2 and 3?
1, 2 and 3?

3. What type of emotional intuition do you mainly use?

1. What people say
2. What people do
3. Say and do
3. Trying to look beyond what people say or do

4. Do you easily read peoples state of mood in voices?

1. Yes
2. No

5. Do you easily recognize peoples voices?

1. Yes
2. No

6. If you do not imideatly recognize a voice

1. Play it again in you head and "feel it"
2. ..or do you think in terms about
how dark/light/expressive/high or low the tone was in the particular persons voice you just heard

6. Do friends often ask you about advice about their own personal relationship issues and/ or do you feel like an conselour most of the time?

1. Yes
2. No
3. Sometimes, sometimes not

7. Do you sometimes get distressed when socializing with( you may only choose one, please )

1. private persons
2. spontaneous people
3. people who tends to be unobservant of their imideate surroundings,
unreflective and kind of hard to get a grip on how they feel
4. I can't choose

8. How do you value a friend?

1. Mostly by his/ hers intentions
2. Mostly by his/ hers actions

9. What is easiest for you?

1. Expect what a person might say next
2. Sense what he or she feel in this very moment

10. Which is easiest for you

1. Sense what a friend are feeling when hearing his or hers voice
2. Sense what a friend are feeling when you look at his/ hers body language

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1. I am a visual thinker, and I think in words.

2. I recognize faces by photographic memory. But I often will see someone I know in a place other than where I've seen them before, and I can't remember who they are. I can't remember their name or how I know them.

3. What type of emotional intuition do you mainly use?

I'm not sure that I have any emotional intuition. Even NTs don't often say out loud how they are feeling, so I guess most of the time I try to look at body language. If I am confused about how another person is feeling, I will ask someone else nearby what they think.

4. Do you easily read peoples state of mood in voices?

Yes, I think so. I know I can hear voice intonations. But sometimes I can tell something is up with a person, but I don't know what exactly.


5. Do you easily recognize peoples voices?

On the phone it can be hard to recognize a voice if they don't identify themselves.

6. If you do not imideatly recognize a voice ...

I will simply ask, "Who is this?"

6. Do friends often ask you about advice about their own personal relationship issues and/ or do you feel like an conselour most of the time?

No.

7. Do you sometimes get distressed when socializing with( you may only choose one, please )

-2. spontaneous people I don't like unpredictable people, I don't know how to react to them. They make me put my guard up. I like it when people are quiet and let me engage with them slowly at my own pace. I like periods of silence so I can sort out my thoughts and come up with something to say.


8. How do you value a friend?

I don't know.

9. What is easiest for you?

-1. Expect what a person might say next


10. Which is easiest for you

-2. Sense what a friend are feeling when you look at his/ hers body language

1. Are you..

1. visual thinker

2. How do you mainly recognize faces?

...Clothes or haircuts...skin color,gender,age.....(I'm very bad at remembering faces if there are people with similiar features)

3. What type of emotional intuition do you mainly use?


2. What people do


4. Do you easily read peoples state of mood in voices?

1. Yes (not easily but more then facial ques because I don't look at faces much...except reading lips)


5. Do you easily recognize peoples voices?

1. Yes (probaby rely on voice recognition more then visual...again, because I don't look at faces much.


6. If you do not imideatly recognize a voice

1. Play it again in you head and "feel it"
2. ..or do you think in terms about
how dark/light/expressive/high or low the tone was in the particular persons voice you just heard

3) I don't know....I just usually recognze voices..don't know why

6. Do friends often ask you about advice about their own personal relationship issues and/ or do you feel like an conselour most of the time?

1. Yes...(I never had many friends but even total strangers talk to me about personal issues/advice)


7. Do you sometimes get distressed when socializing with( you may only choose one, please )

1. private persons
2. spontaneous people
3. people who tends to be unobservant of their imideate surroundings,
unreflective and kind of hard to get a grip on how they feel
4. I can't choose...all of the above but do much better with people who ask direct questions not chit-chat

8. How do you value a friend?


2. Mostly by his/ hers actions

9. What is easiest for you?

1. Expect what a person might say next
2. Sense what he or she feel in this very moment
3. neither of the above

10. Which is easiest for you

1. Sense what a friend are feeling when hearing his or hers voice
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[quote="volunteers"]I have translated this short thinking evaluation into english the best as i can, if you want to answer the questions and put out the answers directly here in the thread it would be very valuable for us.
Me= Bjorn and i'm a member of a local swedish volunteer group
Us= In a couple of weeks, we( 4 women and 2 men) will begin working in the field as volunteers involved in AS habilitation, we are not any experts and therefore we would want to know more about it for preparation purposes only.


1. Are you..

1. visual thinker

2. How do you mainly recognize faces?

5. Remembering the last episode/situation where I saw the face.

3. What type of emotional intuition do you mainly use?

4. What people feel

4. Do you easily read peoples state of mood in voices?

1. Yes


5. Do you easily recognize peoples voices?

1. Yes


6. If you do not imideatly recognize a voice

3. Picture the last situation where I heard the voice.

6. Do friends often ask you about advice about their own personal relationship issues and/ or do you feel like an conselour most of the time?

2. No

7. Do you sometimes get distressed when socializing with( you may only choose one, please )

1. private persons

8. How do you value a friend?

1. Mostly by his/ hers intentions

9. What is easiest for you?

2. Sense what he or she feel in this very moment

10. Which is easiest for you

1. Sense what a friend are feeling when hearing his or hers voice

These are all scary questions for me. I'll try again some other time, maybe next year.

1. I Am..

visual thinker

2. How do you mainly recognize faces?

i combine
1 and 2


3. What type of emotional intuition do you mainly use?

Say and do

4. Do you easily read peoples state of mood in voices?

Yes


5. Do you easily recognize peoples voices?

Yes


6. If you do not imideatly recognize a voice

think in terms about
how dark/light/expressive/high or low the tone was in the particular persons voice you just heard

6. Do friends often ask you about advice about their own personal relationship issues and/ or do you feel like an conselour most of the time?

No


7. Do you sometimes get distressed when socializing with( you may only choose one, please )

people who tends to be unobservant of their imideate surroundings,
unreflective and kind of hard to get a grip on how they feel


8. How do you value a friend?

Mostly by his/ hers intentions


9. What is easiest for you?

Expect what a person might say next


10. Which is easiest for you

Sense what a friend are feeling when hearing his or hers voice

I am
1. nonvisual thinker

2. How do you mainly recognize faces?
2. remembering details about the face such as eyebrowes, the nose and so on

3. What type of emotional intuition do you mainly use?
3. Say and do

4. Do you easily read peoples state of mood in voices?
1. Yes

5. Do you easily recognize peoples voices?
2. No

6. If you do not immediately recognize a voice
1. Play it again in you head and "feel it"

6. Do friends often ask you about advice about their own personal relationship issues and/ or do you feel like an conselour most of the time?
2. No

7. Do you sometimes get distressed when socializing with( you may only choose one, please )
2. spontaneous people

8. How do you value a friend?
2. Mostly by his/ hers actions

9. What is easiest for you?
1. Expect what a person might say next

10. Which is easiest for you
1. Sense what a friend are feeling when hearing his or hers voice

Thanks all, you are kind and the first thing i noticed when reading on this board, is that i can honestly say you seem to be very humble, you are very openminded people and compromises doesn't seem as any concern in here, it's comes just natural for you with no big EGO involved.
But as i said, this evaluation form isn't very realistic perhaps, but on the other hand i truly believe that we must see people from their toughts to a greater extent, and less from their actions as many phsycologists may tend to do today. I will do the test for myself,


1. Are you..

1. visual thinker
2. non visual thinker

2. How do you mainly recognize faces?

1. photographic memory
2. remembering details about the face such as eyebrowes, the nose and so on
3. just a feeling(may be a combination of expressions, eye looks(or what you say in english..) and/ or the face as whole, but i never really reflect about how i regognized that particular person)
4. i combine=
1 and 2?
1 and 3?
2 and 3?
1, 2 and 3?

3. What type of emotional intuition do you mainly use?

1. What people say
2. What people do
3. Say and do
3. Trying to look beyond what people say or do

4. Do you easily read peoples state of mood in voices?

1. Yes
2. No

5. Do you easily recognize peoples voices?

1. Yes
2. No

6. If you do not imideatly recognize a voice

1. Play it again in you head and "feel it"
2. ..or do you think in terms about
how dark/light/expressive/high or low the tone was in the particular persons voice you just heard

6. Do friends often ask you about advice about their own personal relationship issues and/ or do you feel like an conselour most of the time?

1. Yes
2. No
3. Sometimes, sometimes not

7. Do you sometimes get distressed when socializing with( you may only choose one, please )

1. private persons
2. spontaneous people
3. people who tends to be unobservant of their imideate surroundings,
unreflective and kind of hard to get a grip on how they feel
4. I can't choose

8. How do you value a friend?

1. Mostly by his/ hers intentions
2. Mostly by his/ hers actions

9. What is easiest for you?

1. Expect what a person might say next
2. Sense what he or she feel in this very moment

10. Which is easiest for you

1. Sense what a friend are feeling when hearing his or hers voice
2. Sense what a friend are feeling when you look at his/ hers body language

9. What is easiest for you?

1. Expect what a person might say next
2. Sense what he or she feel in this very moment


many of you seem to answer like that, i'm curious about why and how, because for myself and atleast many neurotypicals it seems like it's almost impossible to account for what another person will say or do next, especially if you don't first use your sense about how the other person is feeling in this very moment of time. But, if you know a person very well, i think most of us tend to expect pretty accurate what a person might do or say.

Well, I am not sure if the assumption is true but I think it fits for me that I am a systemizer that looks for patterns. Many peoples personalities fit a pattern of sorts...they are complainers or need affirmation from others or optimistic...sometims you can see these patterns.

Many of us here talk about how we often spend hours "rehearsing" before we have to interact...I do this especially when I have to talk to a DR, social worker, boss or my parents. I often even have conversations in my head with people I talked to that day to work out what I said/they said and how I could have done it better...it accounts for some of my insomnia. The reality for me is that I never guess right about how a conversation will go because they don't stick to my mental script and when they don't say the right line...I get confused and forget what I was going to say...it works better if I write out my ines/questions and bring them with me...so I can get bac on script.


I can be very spontanious if prompted with the right question in writing but verbaly it is much harder....so I practice.


I think it is great that you can see that ...behavior is meaningless in less it is put into the context of the individuals internal experience. I once had a very wise psychologist who had no info about AS (1990), who said that some of my behaviors fit BPD but that my motivational gestalt for that behavior did not fit the DX. He did not try and lable me BPD because he took my internal world into account and realized is was very different from BPD. That was 18 years ago and I still recall the experience because he impressed me with his loogic....Two people can have very differnt motives/mind sets for the same behavior. He didn't try and fit me into a box just because it was the only box around at the time....it was quit refreshing as I had previously been very frustrated by such logic gaps in most psychologist.

I do that too sometimes but i think it don't necessary has to do with rehearsing

But i think just like you that it's hard to reherse in order to manage good in interaciton with others. Actually myself i interact best when i think least on how to act, but this may also have to do with slower processing in brains with signs of autism, i mean if people give you enough time to answer and if we exclude disturbing surrounding it might work better? Perhaps better then for an NT, i surely don't know. Any way, if you can easily recognize what a person might say or do next, you are intuitively accurate in a sense. I also can attach this into relationships with animals and maybe children aswell, from my perspective they "just do" sometimes without reflecting about it. But for some of you, i guess you can see a strong correlation between mood and acting out


ferch8ch8 though is currently the exception to the rule

I will try to answer, if you could link me to the Swedish version i can answer that aswell.

1. I do not know.

2. How do you mainly recognize faces?
just a feeling

3. What type of emotional intuition do you mainly use?
What people say


4. Do you easily read peoples state of mood in voices?
I dont know, probably no

5. Do you easily recognize peoples voices?
No

6. If you do not imideatly recognize a voice
I dont know.

6. Do friends often ask you about advice about their own personal relationship issues and/ or do you feel like an conselour most of the time?
Sometimes, sometimes not

7. Do you sometimes get distressed when socializing with( you may only choose one, please )
I can't choose

8. How do you value a friend?
Mostly by his/ hers intentions

9. What is easiest for you?
I dont know

10. Which is easiest for you
Sense what a friend are feeling when hearing his or hers voice

Concerning 9. I do this with patterns too. But I think different patterns than those krex described?

Regardless of personality and familarity, when people speak there are patterns in how people word what they say. That's how I know. If people lie, get serious or if they have an emotion, they break the pattern from before and that's noticeable.

I suppose this is the result of a not conscious rule. So I guess people really don't notice usually, because every shrink and therapist I talked to yet didn't know about it. But my brain is so messed up that I have a lot less emotional/memory subconscious mechanisms which is probably why I notice.

So actually, it would be more correct to say that I sense what another's saying. Prior I thought how I get a grasp on what people may think and feel is by tone of voice. They tested me, but I failed horribly so I now know it's really about these patterns and not tone of voice.

Very interesting, i must ask around more about this, myself i can't notice patterns at all i think.



Now they know and their job is to know their patients from the inside, so it might be much misunderstanding between NT's and peoples of the spectrum? Not that you don't understand, more that the therapists don't understand your point of view i think, because the ultimate responsibilty and knowledge is on them not you.



I feel like this, the more i try to focus outside myself the better i will be in taking in the subtile things that may be directed towards me. When i'm not feeling so well i will be more of an introvert, and those times i am not very intuitive emotionally or socially. I have been in contact with people on the autistic spectrum before and i don't know for a certainty, but i think those people like everybody else need to been given time to develop ouside of thereselves, and will be much better on it if applied. The one thing that may be problematic is that people on the autistic spectrum wants their own space, and if you want your own space it's hard to learn and appreciate others, but still you must respect people that wants their own space and give it to them.




You don't seem really sure about it? If you are not, maybe the test was no good and maybe all of the tests avaliable at this time are not good for you. I think you must get that Aha feeling, and if you get it, you shall talk to people and see if you can get your feeling confirmed. Just expression/ tone in a voice can be a hard nut to crack, if you haven't any other variables attached to it.

1. visual thinker



2. remembering details about the face such as eyebrowes, the nose and so on



3. Trying to look beyond what people say or do



1. Yes




1. Yes


1. Play it again in you head and "feel it"




3. Sometimes, sometimes not



2. spontaneous people
3. people who tends to be unobservant of their imideate surroundings,
unreflective and kind of hard to get a grip on how they feel




1. Mostly by his/ hers intentions



1. Expect what a person might say next




1. Sense what a friend are feeling when hearing his or hers voice