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snake321
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06 Oct 2008, 3:39 pm

Truth is truth no matter how you look at it.

Truth is not a choice; it is neutral to personal beliefs or emotional choices. Because of our system -indoctrination, most people really can't handle the truth. To learn truths you must be prepared to jump out of an airplane without a parachute. You can't take anything with you that's familiar. That's not searching for truth. That's an insurance policy that you're after. An insurance policy that connects you with the familiar. Truth doesn't work that way. It doesn't come with guarantees that you'll have happy endings in the way that you presume. Most people can not even look at themselves honestly. Part of the reason is that they are a composite of what society has conditioned them to be and the culture that they were born into has conditioned them to be. And the other part is ego in the system is promoted. You can't obtain honesty unless you overcome ego. Know thyself is what was always said and if you use an old Chinese proverb they say that the softest thing water can wear then break the heart of stone. It's a very, very true saying. Patience. The constant knowledge of yourself because you don't want yourself to go off on a tangent to be relayed and you must always look at your own ego because once the ego takes over you lose yourself and you're oblivious to truth.


Not everyone can handle the truth because much of the news is not good news but you have to understand the bad to get beyond it. You have to go through the darkness to see the light. That's always been the way. Always been the way. Those who can only go so far are not ready for it and possibly they never ever will be ready for it. They're more composites than of personality: of their training, their culture, their indoctrinations and their own particular bent of personality type. They're not a truly individual free person and you can't teach everyone ultimate truths. They can't handle it.

Everything we take for granted is not only a lie but a projected lie, a planned lie, a thought lie, a thought out reality in fact. We are molded into our way of thinking. If you look at the original thinking as it happens to feelings and your emotions. As soon as you go into education, original thinking is discouraged and then you're given ready-made thoughts right into your head. It's easy to do with young children; and young children are very curious about the world, very curious. They want to know why things work, why things are the way they are. They want to see it from different points of view. They'll ask questions. You'll think they're annoying you. They're looking at different aspects of the same topic. They want to know for themselves. They want to know truth as well, because if you know truth, it's the safest way to orientate themselves in a strange world. A world that has power in it, which they sense. They're not taken seriously and no matter where this attitude takes them, if it takes the form of a disrespect of the subtle, even condescension, which is usual towards all who have no power, which is young children or older sick people. However, they're taught in school primarily to accept ready-made thoughts, ready-made answers, standardized answers; and that's the key to all of this, standardization.



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06 Oct 2008, 5:08 pm

snake321 wrote:
Everything we take for granted is not only a lie but a projected lie, a planned lie, a thought lie, a thought out reality in fact.


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LIES! LIES!


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06 Oct 2008, 10:05 pm

Decrying formal education is increasingly the office of those who think that seeking the truth is making stuff up and defenestrating all standards for sources and reason. I no longer have patience for self appointed truth seekers.


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06 Oct 2008, 10:59 pm

Hell I don't even like formal education that much. I don't expect anyone else to, either, because it often does suck the joy out of learning. But that doesn't mean you should throw everything established to the wind either.


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07 Oct 2008, 12:29 am

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Decrying formal education is increasingly the office of those who think that seeking the truth is making stuff up and defenestrating all standards for sources and reason. I no longer have patience for self appointed truth seekers.


I assure you I'm not making anything up, they openly brag about all this stuff in all their books, all written by high freemasons. Nobody said it would be comfortable. But I'm not here pushing this down your throat either. I'm not intolerant of you, why do you insist on being intolerant?



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07 Oct 2008, 2:09 am

I get it Snake321 :salut:

To find truth one has to search for it. One has to be willing to admit that he/she doesn't know everything. There must be a desire to search for the truth. When this desire to seek is subdued by authority, that is proof that they would rather control our minds then have us learn something new.
Many children are scolded for asking questions and have to suffer the torment of peer pressure to fall in line. When we strip our egos then these things don't bother us so we are free to explore areas that are not talked about. This is what the greatest thinkers in history had to do.


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07 Oct 2008, 7:56 am

Truth is absent of fear, greed or hatred



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07 Oct 2008, 8:37 am

snake321 wrote:
I assure you I'm not making anything up, they openly brag about all this stuff in all their books, all written by high freemasons. Nobody said it would be comfortable. But I'm not here pushing this down your throat either. I'm not intolerant of you, why do you insist on being intolerant?


I want a bumper sticker

It's going to say

"Euclid was a high freemason"


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07 Oct 2008, 8:42 am

snake321 wrote:
... To learn truths you must be prepared to jump out of an airplane without a parachute. ...


You lost me there, Snake. ;)



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07 Oct 2008, 6:02 pm

monty wrote:
snake321 wrote:
... To learn truths you must be prepared to jump out of an airplane without a parachute. ...


You lost me there, Snake. ;)


cause he jumped out and you didn't..



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07 Oct 2008, 6:03 pm

Aspie_Chav wrote:
Truth is absent of fear, greed or hatred


Yes, you are very wise.. :)

chever wrote:
snake321 wrote:
I assure you I'm not making anything up, they openly brag about all this stuff in all their books, all written by high freemasons. Nobody said it would be comfortable. But I'm not here pushing this down your throat either. I'm not intolerant of you, why do you insist on being intolerant?


I want a bumper sticker

It's going to say

"Euclid was a high freemason"


I want one that says Chever is Clever Never



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07 Oct 2008, 7:12 pm

I want one that says 'ShawnWilliam is a jealous douche-nozzle'


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07 Oct 2008, 7:54 pm

Chever is clever and so is Shawn William. I wish you guys could coincide on something for once. There is truth and beauty in math.
Where one fails, another can succeed. Both of you guys have egos that are like brick walls and Truth is left clapping with one hand.

You two should enter a mosh pit.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfOIn5HRcV0[/youtube]


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07 Oct 2008, 8:06 pm

I basically stopped listening to metal except for some thrash every now and again


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07 Oct 2008, 9:45 pm

If truth is independent of thought, but thought is subject to non-truth-seeking factors, and most people believe they have access to the truth, then how can truth ever be known as truth? I mean, we cannot expect people to be honest in assessing truth, and we cannot expect ourselves to be honest either, so, it seems as if truth appeals to nothing important.

I argue that we should accept truth to be a red herring and instead base our ideas upon whatever we choose to.



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07 Oct 2008, 9:51 pm

Release your ego. Strip yourself of preconceived notions, and have the desire to know truth. Then, truth will reveal itself to you.


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