Outrageous asperger myths and stereotypes
I have heard some pretty stupid ones
some ppl are so idiotic
can't cry????? ask my mates I cried and held a glass of malibu as if it was my baby
and u don't get introduced to ambulance guys as Ali the friend wiv emotional problems
I have too many emotions tbh.
Asexual for me I can agree lol.
brilliant at maths??? emmm I failed maths.
Not creatvie........ thats why I am doing a creative arts course?
as for ret*d pot....kettle
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Just kidding. I suck for the most part at math.
I'm not a savant, but do have a high IQ. That COULD also mean I am a good test-taker.
I am a cereal killer. Cheerios, corn flakes, and especially vanilla almond cluster thingies.
I am not homicidal. Suicidal, well...I have been.
I am emotional to the extreme.
I enjoy fiction. Best fiction: DSM-IV.
This is the most stupid thing I've ever heard.
All this discrimination is going on my nerves.
Millie, even if 8 men for 1 woman get AS, it isn't only men who get it. That doctor is an idiot.
People look at me like if I were odd...
These stereotypes people have on us are really getting on my nerves...(must say it twice)
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"Le bonheur est un idéal de l'imagination et non de la raison" - Emmanuel Kant
"L'homme est né naturellement bon, c'est la société qui le corrompt" - Jean Jacques Rousseau
I like this myth. Means we can tell lies to make things go our way (yeah I'm very naughty) and everyone thinks, 'well she can't be lying, people with AS cannot lie'. Still not very good at lying though... get a bit smirky!
The worst one I have heard is when I told my shrink that I was depressed because my Granny had died when I was 12. He said, 'Were you close to your granny?'. I said 'yes, she was the only person who ever understood me...' He said, 'But I thought you said you have AS. People with AS can't make emotional attachments to people...'
Needless to say, I swore at him and told him to update his books...
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I have HFA, ADHD, OCD & Tourette syndrome. I love animals, especially my bunnies and hamster. I skate in a roller derby team (but I'll try not to bite )
Oh, and I had a history teacher who asked if we heard voices.
link to video! that sounds bloody hilarious ^.^
That crackpot video is still on Facebook though in her little Autism Protection Group.
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php ... 0379907381
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Not through revolution but by evolution are all things accomplished in permanency.
My child psychologist when I was 14 wrote a letter to my school which included the line: "As a person with AS, Alex has no theory of mind and no imagination".
I'd never been so offended in my life! As someone who writes and has had poetry and short stories published, as well as being deeply involved in fandom, I most certainly have an imagination. Too much of one, in some cases!
Nowadays, I just laugh. She was also the idiot who took one look at me, said I have ADD, and attempted to put me on Ritalin. Nice instant diagnosis... you don't know what you're talking about, do you, missy?
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~I wanna fly high, so I can reach the highest of all the heavens
Somebody will be waiting for me, so I've got to fly higher~
That may be true.
Having AS does not exclude folk from also being psychopaths.
However, in mass murderers and serial killers, it's the psychopathic component that's responsible for the lack of conscience required to kill.
The difference between NT psychopaths and AS psychopaths is that the former use charm and guile to gain the trust of their victims, while the latter tend to take their victims by surprise (in public but secluded places).
I'd think that most school shooters would be strongly AS psychopaths - as they generally tend to have been outsiders/loners with a deep sense of injustice.
I've taken advantage of the "autistic honesty" myth, I think. I don't actually lie all that much (unless it's one of those "I'm having trouble phrasing the correct answer so I'll panic and make up something that fits into the conversation" things) because it's just about impossible for me to do it without being extremely obvious about it; but I do think people believe me more easily when I say things that are true. Back when they thought I had borderline personality disorder, they just about expected me to lie to them constantly; now, they believe me. For example, when I forgot an appointment, they insisted I had known about it and refused to come; now, when I say I was poorly organized and slept through it or forgot to write it down or lost my notes, they believe me. It's really a relief to know that people will actually take what I say at face value.
This really makes me mad that they treat borderline people that way, though. Constantly not being believed, always having a hostile motivation attributed to your actions, cannot be any way to recover from something as hard to beat as BPD. Granted, they can be annoying and manipulative and explosive; but there is absolutely nothing professional about the way they are treated by many members of the counseling profession. When will they realize they're only making things worse by treating people that way? A lot of the time, if BPDs have any self concept at all, it's "I'm bad", and you're going to confirm that? Pure idiocy.
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From what I've came across over the many years regarding stereotypes of Aspies happens to be that all Aspies must be computer programmers,engineers,scientists and the like. This intself is not completely accurate for, I once knew a fellow Aspie whom was a teacher and very good one at such!! The other myths I despise with great hostility would have to be that so-called Aspies must be Homosexual since he/she does not tend to act & react in the normal ways a regular person does regarding sexuality in the general sense. Honestly Just cause, I'm not acting like some Don Juan all over the place does not mean anything less human about such and realistically speaking, I've come across many other Aspies whom despite their social akwardness still manage to maintain their integrity as a person and carry on with life through and through.
Lastly, is the so-called myth regarding Aspies as being anti-social and potential criminals.
I realise this is often one of many myths that is spinned all throughout the world yet, from what I've learned about other people in the Spectrum, is that most of ,"Us" are law abiding citizens and uphold a sense of honor and morale therefore, along with myself I Truthfully feel that yes, there is a small minority of Aspies whom might commit crimes but, this should not be used as a social model to say, all Aspies fall into such a dark image or perception.
Thanks for everyone's time and patience.
You know how when people talk about a serial killer it's always "But he seemed like such a nice guy"? Yeah... that's called sociopathy, and being (other than whatever messed-up-ness makes you pure evil) neurotypical is what lets them seem like nice guys... An Aspie sociopath would probably be very obvious; not the kind of person who could hide; probably wouldn't learn to pretend to be a nice person for a long time... I imagine Aspie sociopaths end up in prison or mental institutions by their late teen years as a matter of course. It's probably really hard to get away with anything if you have a hard time putting on a social face and following the conventions of NT interaction.
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On the school shooters, I just thought I'd share something about them as I did (about a year ago) a huge paper on the subject for a Psyc Class. I'm just going to copy and paste portions of that paper here cause I can't remember everything exactly. Keep in mind that the purpose of the paper was about psychotropic drugs effects on the school shootings and physician abuse of the pharmaceutical industry affecting that.
Existing Theories on the School Shooters
On violence, psychology defines an “at-risk” youth as aggressive who conflicts with other peers hostilely (Santrock, 2007, p. 446). These youths tend to engage in drug interactions early on, expose themselves to frequent violent media, can gain a weapon such as a gun, and typically become involved in anti-social groups (Santrock).
The school shooter (also known as “classroom avengers” and “invisible kids”), however, is a very different case, and with that comes a different theory. The profiles of these children are that they are males who feel powerless and use violence to regain the feeling of power who usually aren’t taken seriously when they make violent threats (Santrock, 2007). Garbarino’s theory from his study (1999) that interviewed a number of these shooters is based on spiritual and emotional emptiness (as cited in Santrock), which happens to be a factor for depression (Santrock).
Many other studies have been conducted where theories are developed. Most seem to profile these shooters explaining age, sex, race, and behaviors that marked a common ground; however, none really tipped into a scientific analysis. Most believe the shooters to be white, adolescent boys from a small to mid-size town and middle class family with average to great grades. They are also usually labeled as a shy nerd or outcast who undertake a series of bullying from the more popular peers. They have interest in military type organizations. These boys will usually inform people of the violent plans with talk of suicide before the events. It is believed that the major motivating factor for their violent behavior is revenge, and many had a history of depression with suicidal desires. (Bender, Shubert, & McLauchlin, 2001; McGee & DeBernardo, 1999)
The FBI found similar results to the other studies in their own study where they analyzed 41 cases from 1974 to 2000, but they discovered the following differences: 1) shooters come from a variety of backgrounds with different ages, races, income class, and so forth; 2) most were not the social outcasts and were not considered “loners” (as cited in Dedman, 2000).
One thing to consider is that many of the factors that contribute to depression and suicide are also factors that are examined as part of the profile. For instance, family problems, lack of affection, lack of friends, and family history all contribute to depression and suicidal tendencies; in addition, boys are more likely to follow through with suicide using “more lethal means such as a gun” which also fits the profile of the majority of school shooters being male (Santrock, 2007, p. 344).
Empirical Studies on School Shooters
Most studies on the school shooters lack a scientific method. Most provide only statistics of nominal data.
Studies surrounding the topic do, however, exist. In a study performed by Thomas and Smith (2004), 282 students between the ages of 7-19 of both genders and diverse ethnic groups residing in 47 states were analyzed in two groups of violent (those who were expelled from school for violent reasons such as bringing in a weapon) and non-violent. Violent youths reported feelings of loneliness more than non-violent youths. Their anger levels were not very different as also their attitudes toward discipline. A positive correlation existed between anger discussion and popularity. Unfortunately, violent students were defined more as “at risk” youths rather than the definition of a school shooter.
Many studies have been performed regarding bullying in the schools. Nansel, Overpeck, Pilla, Ruan, Simons-Morton, & Scheidt (2001) showed that bullying was more common between grades 6-8 than 9-10th grade (as cited in Chapell et al., 2004). A bullied child exhibits reactions such as school avoidance, low self-esteem, anxiety, depression, and thoughts of suicide more so than those who weren’t bullied (Chapell et al.). According to a few studies (Glendenning, 2001; O’Moore, Seigne, McGuire, and Smith, 1998; Quine, 2001; Rayner, 1997), bullying takes place beyond high school occurring more often in adult, office environments (as cited in Chapell et al.). According to a few studies (Baldry & Farrington, 1998; Olweus, 1980; Rigby, 1996), authoritarian parenting methods are correlated to child bullies (as cited in Chapell et al.). For college aged adults (n=1,025), 60% saw another student being bullied by another student while 44% saw teachers doing the bullying (Chapell et al.). While many of the school shooters were victims of bullying, these studies do not have the shooters in their sample.
According to the profile of the “Classroom Avenger” (1999) by McGee and DeBernardo (which many studies cite in their introductions), only a handful of the more infamous shootings were analyzed. In the analysis, most (if not all on some cases) were male, white, ages 11-18, middle class, living in a rural city, who made threats before the incident, got the gun from home, were social outcasts who felt victimized and suicidal with chronic anger and interests in violent media. [edited to add: according to McGee and DeBernardo] None were documented with a severe mental illness and only two were claimed to have a history of violence or police involvement. In researching each case listed in that study, one would discover that many of them were on medication with a history of mental illness and violence with police involvement.
In comparing the study with research, let it first be noted that according to the Secret Service, Gary “Scott” Pennington said that he read the book Rage by Steven King after the killing spree and not before (Dedman, 2000).
Toby Sincino was taking Zoloft as a prescription for his documented history of medical illness and had a history of violence with the school and the police including an incident where he slapped a teacher in 6th grade, shoplifting and simple assault, and was pending a case with Family Court regarding pointing and presenting a firearm (Langford, 1995).
Jamie Rouse was taking ephedrine and diphenhyramine HCI (Sominex), and both were assumed purchased over-the-counter. At one point in his junior year, he held his brother at gunpoint threatening to kill him. Spring before the shootings, he got into a fist fight with two boys at school threatening to kill them as well in front of the faculty where he faced juvenile charges and was suspended. (Goodstein & Glaberson, 2000).
Evan Ramsey was actually a popular athlete; however, his father went to prison for a shooting in Anchorage, Alaska becoming known as “The Rambo of Alaska” (Rage, 2001). In his life in foster care, Evan Ramsey experienced sexual assault by one of the other children in the home of the foster care (Ramsey vs. State, 2002). He attempted suicide at 10 years of age, and had a history of smoking marijuana (Rage, 2001). While his history of abuse and mental illness seemed to have gone undiagnosed, possibly due to his foster care status, the history of his father was made public and would play a major factor in the concept of nature versus nurture. In this case, he had nature and nurture influencing his behavior.
Luke Woodham was taking Prozac and claimed to be possessed by demons (Ramsland, n.d.). Michael Carneal was taking Ritalin (Citizens Commission on Human Rights, CCHR, 2006). Both Mitchell Johnson and Andrew Golden were taking Ritalin (CCHR). Andrew Wurst was planning to build a defense case of insanity before pleading out (Hays, 1999), and when he was arrested, according to the police, he had a small amount of marijuana on him adding drug charges to his assault and gun charges (Classes resume Monday, 1998).
Kip Kinkel was taking Prozac and receiving therapy for depression; however, he stopped both at the beginning of the school year because of his progression. He had a history of violence as he hit a boy with a “piece of a metal bar” at the age of 6. He collected weapons and showed an obsession for them. In his court trial, the defense showed his family history of severe mental illness affecting three generations on both sides of the family of schizophrenia. One of the victims stated to Kip in connection with Kip’s insanity was “I don’t care if you’re sick, if you’re insane, if you’re crazy…I don’t care. I think prison, a lifetime in prison is too good for you. If a dog was to go insane and if a dog was rabid and bit someone, you destroy it. So I stand here and I ask, why haven’t you been destroyed? I question myself for not pulling the trigger.” (Goodstein & Glaberson, 2000)
Eric Harris was seeing a psychiatrist receiving treatment for depression and obsession (Bender, Shubert, & McLauchlin, 2002). He was prescribed and taking fluvoxamine (Luvox) which is known to have side effects of psychotic and manic reaction to include delusions, irritability, and rage (Salaman, 2006). Both Harris and Dylan Klebold (the other shooter) were undergoing anger management classes, and Klebold’s prescription information, if any, was never made public (CCHR, 2006).
The unidentified student in Taber, AB, Canada, was taking prescribed Dexadrine (CCHR, 2006). T. J. Solomon was taking Ritalin (CCHR, 2006). According to Wikipedia (n.d.), Charles Andrew Williams made friends with a group of skateboarders where they spent much of their time smoking marijuana.
In order to update McGee & DeBernardo (1999), actually 10 of the 18 shooters had a documented history of a mental illness (all were the prescriptions and one for anger management). In addition to that, four more were not documented, and the other four are unknown. Two more of undocumented violence could team up with the two pieces of documented violence. Half of the shooters mentioned were taking a prescription drug with the other half being unknown (although three are pretty safe to say that they probably were not taking any prescription drugs). In addition, one of the biggest limitations to the study is the amount of shooters represented in the sample size. This new information changes a lot about the study as two new variables for consideration are added: prescribed medication and history of mental illness.
Outside of school shootings, other similar incidents occurred that were drug related, and some of the details of how things went down were similar to the school shootings. In any type of study, one would have to define what common variables make a school shooter different from other acts of similar violence. Examples of other acts not included in the McGee & DeBernardo (1999) study include Shawn Cooper of Notus, Idaho who was on SSRIs and fired a shotgun at school students and staff; Chris Fetters killed her favorite aunt while on Prozac in Idaho; Christopher Pittman killed his grandparents while on Zoloft (Salaman, 2006). A more complete listing and timeline for similar violent acts while on medications can be found at the CCHR source listed in the reference page with a web address to the pdf document, and it ranges from 1988 to 2006 covering 22 cases of prescription drug related school violence, 22 cases of other prescription drug related violence, and 4 cases of prescription drug related adult violence in schools (CCHR, 2006).
In a study by the New York Times, 100 “rampage” type murders were analyzed in the last 50 years involving 102 killers, and 63% of the cases made threats in advance, 55% showed signs of anger and aggression, and 35 killers had a history of violence. In addition, 47 killers had a history of mental illness with 20 having a history of hospitalization and 42 seeing a professional; 23 showed signs of serious depression with 49 “expressed paranoid ideas”; 24 were prescribed psychiatric drugs with 14 not taking their medication at the time of the killing. (Goodstein & Glaberson, 2000).
According to Goodstein & Glaberson (2000) results, the concept of the profile may be changing more against having one. Although their sample may have included acts of violence not associated with the “school shooter,” one cannot ignore the differences in the results, especially when a larger sample was being used.
How does all this affect high school children? According to a Gallup Youth Survey, 23% of students were afraid to go to school due to the violence. Also, 66% believe that a school shooting is likely to occur in their own community, 48% claim there are groups in their schools they believe are capable of such violence, and 64% believe parents are aware of these groups. The parents have responded to the school shootings as 80% say they have talked with their children advising them to not make fun of other students, almost 50% supervise their children’s activities closer, and 38% are more involved with the school. (Lindsay, 2003)
With a nation of teens and parents still fearful of school violence, it is imperative to continue research in finding causes and possible prevention methods in order to ascertain a concept of safety within the school system as that concept is very important to the proper, psychological growth of children and teens.
SO BASICALLY, AUTISM AND SCHOOL SHOOTINGS...how did that person put it? Fail.
On a side note, don't I write much better when it's for a grade?
Oh, and if you want to see the bibliography, let me know. I just figure this post is long enough, and I think my bibliography is 2 and a half pages.
Those attempting to hang mass/serial murder on the Asperger's hook, base their contentions on the erroneous proposition that lack of theory of mind = lack of conscience - a basic prerequisite for such acts.
But common sense dictates otherwise.
Aspergic kids (who aren't also psychopaths) may be socially inept, but aren't gratuitously cruel.
This is what separates normal Aspies from psychopaths (NT and AS psychopaths alike).
The FBI monitors young people who flag up as animal torturers and arsonists, because the vast majority of serial killers were also animal torturers and arsonists as children.
It's a diagnostic flag.
The part played by AS in the lead up to mass/serial killings by AS psychopaths is in rendering the killer susceptible to bullying and social exclusion - creating a sense of social injustice ... something that happens to all Aspies.
IOW, it's not the AS that's responsible for the criminal acts of AS psychopaths, but the psychopathy.
But clearly, even this is just too much to grasp for some 'analysts'.
a girl fom my college asked me that once infront of my best friend and i just turned around and sed 'yeh and ur just jealous that they only talk to me.'
my friend was shocked that I hit out wiv that and the girl left me alone hahaha
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