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08 Dec 2008, 9:45 am

What the cure really is:

This is TREATMENT. Medication to reduce autistic symptoms. It does NOT change the person you are.(Some people are so literal)

It's the same thing as ADHD medication.(for those with ADHD) It reduces Hyperactivity and increases attention span.

This cure is not for YOU, the peeps with Aspergers, it's for the LFA's, who can't speak or take care of themselves. THe cure is to achieve independence, and not be 25 years old still in diapers.


I thought you should know. You guys talk about not being cured when you don't know what it is...now let it go.



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08 Dec 2008, 9:50 am

I wonder if you are troll or not. Either way, I suggest you look how government/health systems/education systems really work before sounding off.



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08 Dec 2008, 9:51 am

Chimchar wrote:
What the cure really is:

This is TREATMENT. Medication to reduce autistic symptoms. It does NOT change the person you are.(Some people are so literal)

It's the same thing as ADHD medication.(for those with ADHD) It reduces Hyperactivity and increases attention span.

This cure is not for YOU, the peeps with Aspergers, it's for the LFA's, who can't speak or take care of themselves. THe cure is to achieve independence, and not be 25 years old still in diapers.


I thought you should know. You guys talk about not being cured when you don't know what it is...now let it go.


I don't think it's possible to be cured... without rewiring the brain. Only to develop oneself around or out of certain traits.

I think that is what you are talking about... just dealing with some symptoms to improve functioning, not really a "cure".

Are there people who are against treating traits and improving functioning?



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08 Dec 2008, 9:51 am

Trust me, there are plenty of people.

And one more thing, don't worry about this cure. The government isn't shoving the cure down your throats. It's going to suck for minors, since it's the parents making the decisions for them. :( THere's nothing we can do about that.



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08 Dec 2008, 10:42 am

yes and no and yes. Depends who you ask.

Regardless I think discussing autism in therms of "cure" is an insulting-ignoramous-sledgehammer-approach.



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08 Dec 2008, 11:45 am

Wow, chimchar, that's the dumbest blanket assertion, outside of religion, that I have heard.
Not even close. Perhaps you should invest in a basic neuroscience textbook, and perhaps attend a lecture or two on the varying arguments of what can justifiably be called "personality", before making such assertions. Wrong. Very, very wrong.


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08 Dec 2008, 12:28 pm

chimchar,

Obviously you do not live in a modern country. The goal of any modern government is to give the least amount of services to its citizens to keep them from revolting. Given the fact that most NTs see AS as an excuse to not live by the rules, I really think a cure would be forced.

The force however will come from an event like this. You do not have to get an cure but you will not be eligible for any disability benefits (even though you will still pay into the system if you happen to get a job), discrimination will be allowed in the workplace (or should I say, less vigorously prosecuted than now :roll:), and in general your life will be so miserable that the cure will look good in comparison.

If you do not believe the above then consider this. The government recently forced all states to reduce the DWI minimum to .08% by simply taking away funding for roads if they do not. This proves that the government can and is willing to do the above.

Besides, I would almost bet they will find a cure for Downs Syndrome, Cystic Fibrosis, and other genetic disorders before they find a cure for autism because the genetic map of autism is more complex. The fact that they have not found a cure yet for CF shows that one for autism may not occur in my lifetime.



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08 Dec 2008, 12:40 pm

Chimchar wrote:
What the cure really is:

There is no existing cure for autism. Any speculation as to its manifestation is purely that - speculation.


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(Some people are so literal)

You mean like autistic people?


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This cure is not for YOU, the peeps with Aspergers, it's for the LFA's, who can't speak or take care of themselves.

I think you'll find there are people here with Aspergers that "can't take care of themselves" without some kind of help. There are also those with AS that want a cure. Why are you excluding them?


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I thought you should know. You guys talk about not being cured when you don't know what it is...now let it go.

Thanks for explaining to us that you don't know what the cure is either. It's so much better.



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08 Dec 2008, 1:30 pm

The diaper thing can go both ways. Some people with AS need them, but they can change themselves and keep it a secret, some people with LFA have perfect control and they might have always had that perfect control.

Some non-verbal autistics have IQ scores that are in the genus range and some people with AS only have average IQ scores.

It's very unwise to pigeonhole people on the spectrum, based on their level of functioning.


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08 Dec 2008, 2:15 pm

What did you mean pigeonholing people?

How about not degrading my opinions and instead give me your views. There is no way that the government will force a cure' down anyone's throats if he or she didn't want it. And who is going to know you have a disability, besides the school's IEP.



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08 Dec 2008, 2:16 pm

Did I miss something? What "cure" are we refering to?
Maybe I need more coffee.



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08 Dec 2008, 2:21 pm

The "cure". As in, take the Magical pill and become a NT. That sort of thing. That's the kind of cure that will never exist, and even if there was a cure, no one is going to force it on anyone.



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08 Dec 2008, 2:24 pm

Chimchar wrote:
The "cure". As in, take the Magical pill and become a NT. That sort of thing. That's the kind of cure that will never exist, and even if there was a cure, no one is going to force it on anyone.


K....
I must be too thick, but I don't get what this thread is really about.
Sorry.



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08 Dec 2008, 2:29 pm

Chimchar wrote:
The "cure". As in, take the Magical pill and become a NT. That sort of thing. That's the kind of cure that will never exist, and even if there was a cure, no one is going to force it on anyone.


Ooh! Ooh! I know!! ...you're an American, aren't you? At least a Canuck or a pom, one of those... How else would you have such a mixed-up "tha gub'mint" idea; much the ubiquitos "they", this god-like single entity government must be...


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08 Dec 2008, 2:32 pm

Chimchar wrote:
What did you mean pigeonholing people?

How about not degrading my opinions and instead give me your views. There is no way that the government will force a cure' down anyone's throats if he or she didn't want it. And who is going to know you have a disability, besides the school's IEP.


That which you call your opinion was presented as a statement of fact and followed with an order to let it go. You can hardly expect a friendly welcoming response. In fact, where in that order to let it go did you suggest that you were interested in anyone's views other than your own? Your tone resembles that of my 11-year-old when she's bossing her little brother.


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08 Dec 2008, 2:51 pm

NocturnalQuilter wrote:
Chimchar wrote:
The "cure". As in, take the Magical pill and become a NT. That sort of thing. That's the kind of cure that will never exist, and even if there was a cure, no one is going to force it on anyone.


K....
I must be too thick, but I don't get what this thread is really about.
Sorry.


I confess, I don't get this thread either. I've been monitoring it hoping someone would clarify. But the mystery continues to build... 2 pages and I'm still lost.