Foster mother struck off for letting Muslim girl convert

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... anity.html

thats incredible..people need to have some courage and stand up for what they believe, otherwise the West will be destroyed by weak minded people....

i thought the west was all about freedom to choose...seems my culture is failing big time...

Well first off it's from the Daily Mail which is basically a tabloid, so of course they're going to make it sound really sensationalist.

But this one line in the article struck me as really odd: "The move has stripped her of her sole source of income, forcing her to downsize to a one-bedroom flat."

So being a foster mom was her only income? That was probably the reason they took away her foster kid, because she wasn't able to support herself. They shouldn't let foster kids go to people who just want them as paychecks.

How do they know that this girl chose to convert of her own free will? I've heard of evangelical Christians who take in International high school students in order to convert them, so I wouldn't be surprised if it also happens in the foster care system.

Sometimes an adoption specifies that a child should be raised in a particular religious tradition ... if so, the mother may have violated a binding agreement. A foster mother has even less leeway ... the arrangement is considered temporary.

The UK seems to be becoming progressively more anti-Christian. Now, if they could only spread some of that out for the other religions.

first of all the fact that this isnt that sensational be it a tabloid or not is what is the real issue here, its becoming the norm that we cannot defend/keep our own culture if it crashes with another culture in any way possible as then it would be something on the lines or Racism or discrimination, the sad part is that not only does this destroy the western culture which has been a leader in world history when it comes to everything from freedom to scientific progress in the last 2000 years.. but it also takes away the power of the words such as Racism and Discrimination and turn them into mere curse words to throw at anyone who has a somewhat different political view then the current leading elite...

the other thing is that many single girls/women have recently begun to take in foster children on request of local governments around Europe and especially in the UK if i am not mistaken... and one would think that these children are more then just a pay-check...and that these people who take in foster children should not be shun but rather be given praise for their job which really helps society and many children...


now, i am not Religious, actually i dont like Christianity at all, but i do like one thing and that one thing is called freedom, and i am here talking about the freedom of western society...which i find best described by this quote:

I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

Voltaire, (Attributed); originated in "The Friends of Voltaire", 1906, by S. G. Tallentyre (Evelyn Beatrice Hall)
French author, humanist, rationalist, & satirist (1694 - 1778)

In before the self appointed fact mavens: the Western world has really not been the leader for 2000 years. Only really is it unequivocal for the past few hundred years (maybe like 3-400?).

Since about 1500 I'd say the West has been the leader unequivocally. Perhaps a bit longer than that.

Well we will have to wait until the girl tells us and if she converted its no ones business other than hers and people should mind their own business, if she was force oh wait you can't be forced to adopt a new religion sorry.

Maybe, but certainly not 2000; I don't think one would put the time period prior to the Renaissance (although I must admit my history is pretty bad, but Europe was certainly not the leader in say mathematics at all for 1500 years ago).

well i was thinking about the Roman empire, Greece ect.. it may not be 100%, but no other culture can boast such a feat as far as i am concerned...

And if the shoe was on the other foot, and a kid from a Christian home went into a foster home and was converted to some other religion, would you still whine about a rule designed to protect kids put into a temporary foster situation?? Think about that ... is there a principle at stake that protect kids of all backgrounds, or does it just bother you because your culture can't snag impressionable little kids who are separated from their parents??

as i stated above, i am actually not a christian and i dont like any religion much at all...

but for me this was referring to the fact that Western culture is being demonized world wide and has been for a long time now.. and as if that isnt enough Western people are also being demonized...

if the child wanted to become anything from a Hindu to a Wicca i would not care, its the kids choice... what i am "whining" about is the freedom we are suppose to have in the west, as that is what i think is important, not the religion or the foster situation...

please do not try and "box" me into some stereotype as i would not fit....

Wait, I thought Islam was part of the Western Tradition, especially in the Middle ages, you know, with the Spanish Moors and all of that?

Hey, and China's had quite a history as well...

What sucks is that the kid is sixteen-not six. Is there some chance of reconciliation with her family? I didn't see that in the article. It seems a rather extreme response. It seems an investigation would have shown whether the girl had converted willingly or not. There's more to this story. We just haven't seen it.

Go, Daily Mail, with your sensationalist ol' self. Journalistic street cred be damned!

you are right in many ways, China and India ect do have respectable cultural and historical achievements in their past and to a certain extend still do, but compared to the west and the effects the west have had on the world at large i would say they today are not that significant...

and i should correct myself in saying the west has had the leading role for 2000 years as there have been gaps in this time line as with any where the west has been in recession...maybe the Chinese and Indian cultures are in their recession now? its no way of know that though:(

No actually Islam is pretty much dead in Spain and Portugal compared to what it was back then...these days its mostly modern immigrants...and most of them seem to leave their religion after few generations of Muslims living there...or at least that is what i have observed...

but please do bear in mind that Islam is not an opposite to Western culture, what i meant was freedom versus not having freedom...and one cannot say that Islam alone is the opposite to freedom, but one can say that Religions at large seem to be rather suspicious to the concept of freedom as we today know it... as being a religious person one has to put ones live and fate into the hands of a being or idea....which from that moment limits one freedom...

but we could drag this into a full scale Philosophical discussion...

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