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07 Apr 2009, 8:08 am

A chain e-mail that I received today.

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If you don't know GOD, don't make stupid remarks!! !! !!

A United States Marine was taking some college courses between assignments. He had completed 20 missions in Iraq and Afghanistan. One of the courses20had a professor who was an avowed atheist, and a member of the ACLU.

One day the professor shocked the class when he came in. He looked to the ceiling and flatly stated, GOD if you are real then I want you to knock me off this platform. I'll give you exactly 15 min.'

The lecture room fell silent. You could hear a pin drop. Ten minutes went by and the professor proclaimed, 'Here I am GOD, I'm still waiting.'

It got down to the last couple of minutes when the Marine got out of his chair, went up to the professor, and cold-cocked him; knocking him off the platform. The professor was out cold.

The Marine went back to his seat and sat there, silently.

The other students were shocked and stunned, and sat there looking on in silence. The professor eventually came to, noticeably shaken, looked at the Marine and asked, 'What in the world is the matter with you? 'Why did you do that?'

The Marine calmly replied, 'GOD was too busy today protecting America 's soldiers who are protecting your right to say stupid stuff and act like an idiot. So He sent me.'

The classroom erupted in cheers!

THIS IS GOOD, KEEP IT GOING!


So this is why god appears to be so passive, he's too busy protecting American soldiers. Any dead soldiers were probably atheists, those bastards.


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07 Apr 2009, 11:41 am

Hoo-rah, Marine!

Ehh, I generally hate folks who make a grand show of mocking religion. They ought to be punched no matter which systems of belief they support and attack. And the Marine's statement is perfect.

You can, of course, take this story as a statement that apparently God only likes Americans, I take it as the perfect explanation for how God doesn't always need to do things Himself, He can send people to do it for Him.



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07 Apr 2009, 11:41 am

I've seen that forward in a few forms, mostly in e-mail but also on facebook.
This is somewhat of the most different version of it, since it includes patriotism.

As for your statement about only Atheist soldiers dying, that reminded me of a part of the book On The Nature Of The Gods which was a letter from Senator Marcus Cicero to Brutus.



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07 Apr 2009, 11:56 am

zerooftheday wrote:
Hoo-rah, Marine!

Ehh, I generally hate folks who make a grand show of mocking religion. They ought to be punched no matter which systems of belief they support and attack. And the Marine's statement is perfect.

You can, of course, take this story as a statement that apparently God only likes Americans, I take it as the perfect explanation for how God doesn't always need to do things Himself, He can send people to do it for Him.


As God squats ineffectually in his Heaven people have been acting for Him for centuries murdering and torturing non-believers and anybody that offends the local version of the religious mafia. The KKK burned Christian crosses for decades in celebration of God's will about the inferiority of black people. No need to disturb God in his ghostly sanctuary.



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07 Apr 2009, 2:03 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
As for your statement about only Atheist soldiers dying, that reminded me of a part of the book On The Nature Of The Gods which was a letter from Senator Marcus Cicero to Brutus.

You do realize I was sarcastic, right? :lol:

EDIT: You should read up on Poe's Law.

"Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

DOUBLE EDIT: Now that I think about it, perhaps that chain mail was a Poe, too? Crap, this is confusing!


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07 Apr 2009, 2:05 pm

zerooftheday wrote:
Hoo-rah, Marine!

Ehh, I generally hate folks who make a grand show of mocking religion. They ought to be punched no matter which systems of belief they support and attack. And the Marine's statement is perfect.

You can, of course, take this story as a statement that apparently God only likes Americans, I take it as the perfect explanation for how God doesn't always need to do things Himself, He can send people to do it for Him.


I can't remember mocking religion being a bad thing, only entertaining
Either way, I take the entire thing as though if god is busy, he can't be omnipotent, or omnipresent for that matter, after all, you would expect such a powerful being to be able to do everything anywhere in the world


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07 Apr 2009, 2:12 pm

I'm sure the Taliban feel they are doing God's work as do the Saudi Arabians who brutally beat a rape victim for permitting her violation.



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07 Apr 2009, 2:14 pm

Sand wrote:
I'm sure the Taliban feel they are doing God's work as do the Saudi Arabians who brutally beat a rape victim for permitting her violation.


Exactly, the whole thing about religion is that it is from different perspectives, for example, If I suddenly decide to be religious, which one do I choose? Which god do I worship? And if I pick the wrong one, which hell do I go to? Or if I get the right one, which heaven do I go to?

All so confusing :P


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07 Apr 2009, 2:59 pm

That particular piece of chain mail has been circulating since at least 2003, and other forms of it were certainly around earlier.

Anyways, it's obviously fictional, a fantasy of the pro-war religious right (a very odd group, to my mind).


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07 Apr 2009, 7:44 pm

He He...this one made my face go... :?

Anyone who uses physical violence as an example of doing God's work, is using a bad example.



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07 Apr 2009, 8:26 pm

zerooftheday wrote:
Ehh, I generally hate folks who make a grand show of mocking religion. They ought to be punched no matter which systems of belief they support and attack. And the Marine's statement is perfect.

The Marine's statement is actually quite stupid, as it is based on the delusion that the American military operations in the Middle East actually serve to protect our rights. Anyways, the idea that atheist ACLU members are predominant among college professors and act like the professor in this story is little more than a right-wing fantasy. Most university professors (even at private schools) will not bring up their religious views at all in front of students, and for the most part they refuse to be too explicit about their political views.

I read something a while back that analyzed the motif of the atheist college professor in right-wing chain e-mails. It made some interesting points about the implications this recurring theme had, and what it tells us about the way the religious right views academia and the world at large. I'll try to dig it out if I have time, but in all likelihood I won't be able to find it again.


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07 Apr 2009, 9:51 pm

Yeah, it is not the only thing like this. There is another thing I once saw, but I don't know where I can show it. It was a story about a philosophy professor who spent his entire intro class trying to disprove God. In the end, he challenges people by claiming a piece of chalk will fall and break but God would stop this. In the end, one student resisted this prof. The prof dropped the chalk, but it didn't fall right and didn't break, so the guy ran out of the room like a ninny. Then the outspoken student teaches the class about Christianity.

Still another conservative Christian fantasy.



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07 Apr 2009, 10:04 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Yeah, it is not the only thing like this. There is another thing I once saw, but I don't know where I can show it. It was a story about a philosophy professor who spent his entire intro class trying to disprove God. In the end, he challenges people by claiming a piece of chalk will fall and break but God would stop this. In the end, one student resisted this prof. The prof dropped the chalk, but it didn't fall right and didn't break, so the guy ran out of the room like a ninny. Then the outspoken student teaches the class about Christianity.

Still another conservative Christian fantasy.

I haven't seen that particular one, though I have come across (a couple times) the one where Einstein humiliates an atheist professor by magically resolving the problem of evil.


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07 Apr 2009, 10:27 pm

Orwell wrote:
I haven't seen that particular one, though I have come across (a couple times) the one where Einstein humiliates an atheist professor by magically resolving the problem of evil.

Is that the one where evil is argued to just be the absence of God?

I found it!

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This is a true story of something that happened just a few years ago at USC. There was a professor of philosophy there who was a deeply committed atheist. His primary goal for one required class was to spend the entire semester attempting to prove that God couldn't exist. His students were always afraid to argue with him because of his impeccable logic. For twenty years, he had taught this class and no one had ever had the courage to go against him. Sure, some had argued in class at times, but no one had ever 'really gone against him' (you'll see what I mean later).

Nobody would go against him because he had a reputation. At the end of every semester, on the last day, he would say to his class of Cartoon of the legend 300 students, "If there anyone here who still believes in Jesus, stand up!" In twenty years, no one had ever stood up. They knew what he was going to do next. He would say, "because anyone who does believe in God is a fool. If God existed, he could stop this piece of chalk from hitting the ground and breaking. Such a simple task to prove that he is God, and yet he can't do it." And every year, he would drop the chalk onto the tile floor of the classroom and it would shatter into a hundred pieces. The students could do nothing but stop and stare. Most of the students were convinced that God couldn't exist. Certainly, a number of Christians had slipped through, but for 20 years, they had been too afraid to stand up.

Well, a few years ago, there was a freshman who happened to get enrolled in the class. He was a Christian, and had heard the stories about this professor. He had to take the class because it was one of the required classes for his major and he was afraid. But for 3 months that semester, he prayed every morning that he would have the courage to stand up no matter what the professor said or what the class thought. Nothing they said or did could ever shatter his faith, he hoped.

Finally the day came. The professor said, "If there is anyone here who still believes in God, stand up!" The professor and the class of 300 people looked at him, shocked, as he stood up at the back of the classroom. The professor shouted, "You FOOL!! If God existed, he could keep this piece of chalk from breaking when it hit the ground!" He proceeded to drop the chalk, but as he did, it slipped out of his fingers, off his shirt cuff, onto the pleats of his pants, down his leg, and off his shoe. As it hit the ground, it simply rolled away, unbroken.

The professor's jaw dropped as he stared at the chalk. He looked up at the young man and then ran out of the lecture hall. The young man who had stood up proceeded to walk to the front of the room and share his faith in Jesus for the next half hour. 300 students stayed and listened as he told of God's love for them and of his power through Jesus.


Found it here too:

http://www.snopes.com/religion/chalk.asp



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07 Apr 2009, 10:48 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
Orwell wrote:
I haven't seen that particular one, though I have come across (a couple times) the one where Einstein humiliates an atheist professor by magically resolving the problem of evil.

Is that the one where evil is argued to just be the absence of God?

Yes, that's the one.

The chalk story is new to me. It's worse than most of the others, and that's saying something.


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08 Apr 2009, 6:34 am

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