Autism & Schizophrenia? (Genetic Hypothesis)
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Autism and schizophrenia may be two sides of the same genomic coin. Copy number variations in the exact same genes determine whether patients suffer from one condition or the other, according to data presented on Friday (Apr. 3) at the Sackler Colloquium on Evolution in Health and Medicine in Washington, DC.
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Both autism and schizophrenia involve disturbances in brain areas linked to social functions, but the two psychiatric disorders often display diametrically opposite traits. For instance, social cognition is underdeveloped in autism but hyper-developed in schizophrenia. Several recent studies have also implicated some of the same genes in the two types of conditions, which has led researchers to suggest a common underlying genetic basis for both brain disorders.
Last year, Bernard Crespi, an evolutionary biologist at Simon Fraser University in Burnaby, Canada, and Christopher Badcock, a sociologist at the London School of Economics, proposed that autism and schizophrenia result from an evolutionary tug of war between the genes inherited from each parent. In their view, the development of these brain disorders is mediated in part by changes in genomic imprinting. Put simply, if the brain is controlled by father-dominated genes, you become autistic, whereas if the brain is molded by mother-dominated genes, you become paranoid schizophrenic, they argued.
Now, Crespi has another idea for how the two disorders might also be linked: In his talk, he suggested that structural changes in a specific set of brain-related genes lead to either autism or schizophrenia. To test his idea, Crespi examined 18 studies published over the past two years that quantified deletions and duplications in patients with either autism or schizophrenia. Combining these studies, he identified seven genomic regions that were linked to both disorders. Five of them were diametrically expressed in patients of the two conditions -- overwhelmingly deleted in one disease and duplicated in the other.
"I was astonished by just how strong [the effect] was," Crespi told The Scientist. "I didn't expect the results to come out so cleanly because it's not something you expect genetic data to do for you."
This newfound link is an "extremely powerful and conceptual hook" to understand both diseases, Crespi said. For example, schizophrenic patients are thought to produce more dopamine in the brain, so perhaps researchers should now look to test whether autistic brains produce a paucity of the hormone, he said.
Another implication of the study is that children with early symptoms of schizophrenia might be being misdiagnosed as autistic, and vice versa. For several of the loci showing differential expression in the two disorders, there were a small number of patients showing the opposite effect -- for example, an autistic patient with a deletion that is normally associated with schizophrenia. Crespi suspects that these are mostly "false positive" diagnoses, rather than results that run counter to his hypothesis. Such incorrect medical assessments "could make children worse," Crespi said, adding that understanding the genetic underpinnings of these diseases could help avoid the problem.
"I took Crespi's point very seriously that if a youngster is misdiagnosed and mistreated then all hell breaks loose," said Mary-Claire King, a geneticist at the University of Washington in Seattle who was not involved in the study.
To give this article a summary:
Autism = hyposocial memory allotment
Schizophrenia = hypersocial memory allotment
That is, autistics have a hard time interpreting social information while schizophrenics have too much ease in this regard.
It's no secret that autism was once diagnosed as childhood schizophrenia. We grow out of it through conditioning. It's a spectrum and gets complicated. But, overall it's mostly cultural expectations that make aspies abnormal.
I'm so friggin bored of this topic. Stop eating so much junk food, get off the computer, join the real world, take your pampers off, there is nothing wrong with y'all. Get up and make a stance.
Be different and be yourself. It's not a big deal. All you are is all you are. Tell them to take culture and stick it up their ass and make pancakes!
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Most new research shows that there are numerous causes for autism and schizophrenia spectrum disorders, and i would think probablly every mental disorder you could imagine. There are many chromosome abnormalities that cause these things too. Some cases of autism and schizophernia could be related while others are not. Im diagnosed with aspergers and schizoaffective, and seem to just have my own disorder that lies somewhere between the two. Im going to go in for a karyotype test soon to see if theres anything abnormal about my genes that could have caused this. I beleve it must be something that was inherited because my uncle is a lot like me which rules out most chromosome abnormalities but it will still be intresting to find out. I also have hypermobile joints which is frequently related to chromosome abnormalities. Ive done a lot of research on this but havent found anything that fits me though.
Be different and be yourself. It's not a big deal. All you are is all you are. Tell them to take culture and stick it up their ass and make pancakes!
What for those who have done everything you said and have regressed, instead of progressed, doing it? That is the situation I am finding myself in.
I've been using those exact words for years.
Hopefully the stronger genetic link that they develop with these studies, the sooner the vaccine nuts can get off that horse and start actually being helpful in developing treatments and acceptance for autism.
The problem with this are the people who appear relatively functional until they reach a certain age, then they have what some call a "nervous breakdown" or psychotic episode. That's the classic definition of schizophrenia. A condition that manifests in the late teens or early twenties and not in childhood.
If there are two different sets of genetics involved it would make diagnosing more accurate, but what if it's the same for both and there is no difference?
I have Asperger's Syndrome AND Childhood-Onset Schizophrenia. My brain is poised to be hyper-social, but since it doesn't process or pick up on social clues "correctly", it has little to work with and so makes up catastrophic stories about what must eb happening.
Does that fit with your theory?
Almandite: I believe that, although it's rare, you certainly can be both. I don't view the spectrum as being made up of exclusive tribes, but rather, traits. Just like the spectrographs used by astronomers to analyse distant stars, you can get the signature of more than one element superimposed on another.
I've written a bit here on how I believe different spectrum phenomena manifest. It's only a pet theory, but it kinda makes sense to me. While I've treated different phenomena separately, it's absolutely possible to be a hybrid. I'd love to hear about some of your experiences.
I once was in a relationship with a girl who went on to develop schizophrenia. Long before the illness began, she was a very private - indeed, sometimes antisocial - person, known for being withdrawn and eccentric. Maybe what we call a schizophrenic episode is simply a nervous breakdown experienced by a voice-hearer or someone prone to certain thinking patterns.
Does that fit with your theory?
Maybe. It could be like a cross fader - like one on your ac/heater on your car - where on one side you have autism but on the exact opposite you have schizophrenia and you can hae both processes running at the same time. That is, they are not mutually exclusive but, rather, related.
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The problem with this are the people who appear relatively functional until they reach a certain age, then they have what some call a "nervous breakdown" or psychotic episode. That's the classic definition of schizophrenia. A condition that manifests in the late teens or early twenties and not in childhood.
If there are two different sets of genetics involved it would make diagnosing more accurate, but what if it's the same for both and there is no difference?
Scizophrenia is a deteriortion of a personality and autism is neurological, and is present at birth. Big difference. This is not to say that someone diagnosed with HFA or on the spectrum will never become scizophrenic and delusional, but it isimortnat to understand the two as seperate an ddistinct in their phenotype. Once upon a time, not too long ago, autism was diagnosed as schizophrenia and patients were hospitalized and prescribed heavey duty meds. I woulnd't worry so much about misdiangosing autism. It's the reverse we would have to worry about.
Early onset of scizophrenia just like bipolar should be left to the later years. Most times, you can not tell that the person will become psychotic or delustional, and this is the tragiedy of the two disorders. Autism, although chronic and life long and debilitating, occurs at birth and is apparent.
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