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Almandite
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25 May 2009, 3:23 pm

A woman on this Blog has quoted the following description of Autism.

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People with autism suffer from a defect of the mind where they cannot perceive other humans or animals alike as real, living, breathing people and pets. They view us as just other objects in this world that do unexpected things and make unexpected noises that they cannot calculate.

The physiologist Alison Gopnik explains what it would be like to have autism.

“This is what it is like to sit around a dinner table. At the top of my field of vision is a blurry edge of my nose, in front are waving hands…. Around me bags of skin are draped over chairs and stuffed into pieces of cloth, they shift and protrude in unexpected ways…. two dark spots at the top of them swivel relentlessly back and forth. A hole beneath that spot fills with food and from it comes a scream of noises. Imagine that the noisy skin-bags suddenly moved towards you and their noises grew loud, and you have no idea why, no way of explaining them or predicting what they would do next.”

And I know that this has never been true of me. Has anyone here experienced that? Or is it a load of crap?

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25 May 2009, 3:24 pm

Sounds like crap - though it may be true for severe, low-functioning.

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25 May 2009, 3:27 pm

Hahaha... That physiologist should have her license revoked.

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25 May 2009, 3:33 pm

I see NTs as soulless ignorant beings who feel like they're so superior to everything they can't understand. Does that count?

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25 May 2009, 3:33 pm

How is a physiologist even qualified to comment on this?

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25 May 2009, 3:34 pm

BS.

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25 May 2009, 3:36 pm

No.
I perceive people as living and breathing animals.

I sometimes have a hard time perceiving people as complex social organisms though.

I get the living and breathing part, it's just some of the subtle cues and what do I do next socially/culturally that I miss. There's the knowing what people are doing and feeling, but being unable to join in. Perhaps the social signal I pick up is weaker or I process the incoming emotional information in terms of the general atmosphere rather than individual people. I don't know.

No offense to humans, by my mind seems to focus on details in the physical surroundings first and non-human animals.

This doesn't mean that humans and their feelings aren't important: it's just that my mind seems to by default perceive them in the background.

I've kept pet mammals and appreciated them as living and feeling beings.
That's why I took great care of them.
It upsets me to see any creature, be it animal or human, in pain.

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25 May 2009, 3:37 pm

Zoonic wrote:

Hahaha... That physiologist should have her license revoked.

Taken from the OP the misspelling negates that 'study' or whatever that was to be.....psychologist, not physiologist. Anyway, about the topic - perhaps, sort-of, in a meaningless description at best. I'm not certain I see people as people, to be honest. I am HFA/Aspie but humans are an unkown and look to be smokey glass (not kidding, that's what I see in peripherial view). And I hear the din of human voices in public.

Plenty of nonsense psychologists, and equivalent. I take no meaning from that assessment or interpretation.

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25 May 2009, 3:37 pm

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25 May 2009, 3:38 pm

Beyond crap.

In a science textbook at my school, it says that in an autistic mind, it's a just a blur of sounds and events and we can't function in society at all. I was going to complain to the teacher, but, well, it was in class and I wasn't actually supposed to have been reading that page.

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25 May 2009, 3:45 pm

I don't really view people as people. I tend to regard others as inorganic beings who are just objects in a playing field. As a boy, I used to think that when people were out of my line of sight that they just ceased to exist. I didn't think that they had feelings, did things, or carried on lives when I wasn't around. I didn't sense the fact that they were other people with lives of their own. For all I knew, they were figments of my imagination.

I still feel like other people's interests, wants, and needs have no real bearing on how I act. I don't feel the need to accommodate or do anything for others, and I only interact to the point of satisfying them so they get out of my face. I kind of agree with the above paragraph of not seeing people as people.

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25 May 2009, 3:48 pm

Also from there:

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It was also said by a psychologist Simon Baron-Cohen that to be male is to have a minor form of autism

Since when is Borat a psychologist?

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25 May 2009, 3:49 pm

gina-ghettoprincess wrote:

You are correct in that! The worse part, 'they' believe it. And even worse...many who are the neuro/psych profession read that exact same stuff, and they believe it. Then treat given Autist accordingly. Which is why it doesn't work. I'm a scientist, not a voodoo priestess.

AmberEyes: As always, cogently written as very true. I love animals as well.
raisedbyignorance: I actually do agree....sad, but true. I've met them and they are painfully hurtful beings. So ignorant they don't even know they're ignorant. Cannot reason their way out of a paper bag (sorry for the euphamism, I don't usually use those terms).

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25 May 2009, 3:55 pm

MattShizzle wrote:

Also from there:

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It was also said by a psychologist Simon Baron-Cohen that to be male is to have a minor form of autism

Since when is Borat a psychologist?

it's Borat's (Shasha Baron-Cohen) cousin. No, really. yes, really

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25 May 2009, 4:58 pm

I see people as people and I know they are real. I have always known that. They move and talk and grow. None real things do not.

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25 May 2009, 5:04 pm

I see people as people. that's such aload of bollock.

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